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Author: rscanrscan Date: Apr 26, 2008 06:57
The model for intelligence is the human brain. The brain is the only
machine known that is capable of producing motor acts that we class as
intelligent. The notion was promulgated at the Dartmouth Summer
Conference that intelligence had been described by the predicate
calculus, and that all that was needed was to mechanize the
manipulative algebra; the platform being irrelevant. This was done,
but with unsatisfactory results.
The basis of the scientific approach is the removal of God from the
Machine. A soul with causal powers is rejected. This is easier said
than done when we deal with the brain. Man wants a thinker. As a first
step, we say that the nineteenth century dodge of postulating a mind
is just that, a dodge. We will try, always, to write soul (mind) to
remind ourselves that intelligence is a quality of the machine, not
the soul (mind). There is to be no thinker.
It is popular among neuroscientists to refer to the neuron as passing
messages, as passing information. Messages are only interpretable by a
soul (mind). A neuron passes pulses. A pulse contains only the
information, “I am here. I am active”.
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Author: Sir FrederickSir Frederick Date: Apr 26, 2008 08:52
On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 06:57:17 -0700 (PDT), "rscan@ nycap.rr.com" nycap.rr.com> wrote:
>The model for intelligence is the human brain. The brain is the only
>machine known that is capable of producing motor acts that we class as
>intelligent. The notion was promulgated at the Dartmouth Summer...
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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: Apr 26, 2008 09:18
On Apr 26, 8:52 am, Sir Frederick fuzzysys.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 06:57:17 -0700 (PDT), "rs...@ nycap.rr.com" nycap.rr.com> wrote:
>>The model for intelligence is the human brain. The brain is the only
>>machine known that is capable of producing motor acts that we class as
>>intelligent. The notion was promulgated at the Dartmouth Summer
>>Conference that intelligence had been described by the predicate
>>calculus, and that all that was needed was to mechanize the
>>manipulative algebra; the platform being irrelevant. This was done,
>>but with unsatisfactory results.
>
>>The basis of the scientific approach is the removal of God from the
>>Machine. A soul with causal powers is rejected. This is easier said
>>than done when we deal with the brain. Man wants a thinker. As a first
>>step, we say that the nineteenth century dodge of postulating a mind
>>is just that, a dodge. We will try, always, to write soul (mind) to
>>remind ourselves that intelligence is a quality of the machine, not
>>the soul (mind). There is to be no thinker.
>
>>It is popular among neuroscientists to refer to the neuron as passing
>>messages, as passing information. Messages are only interpretable by a ...
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Author: Wolf KirchmeirWolf Kirchmeir Date: Apr 26, 2008 19:34
> The model for intelligence is the human brain. The brain is the only
> machine known that is capable of producing motor acts that we class as
> intelligent.
Incorrect, hence the rest of the argument is unsound.
[snip]
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wolf k.
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Author: ZerkonXZerkonX Date: Apr 27, 2008 08:04
On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 06:57:17 -0700, rscan@ nycap.rr.com wrote:
> The model for intelligence is the human brain. The brain is the only
> machine known that is capable of producing motor acts that we class as
> intelligent.
Yes, agree with Wolf, your base position is weak.
Human intelligence is more than a model, it is the entire definition. A
matter of circular reasoning.
The (human) brain is certainly not the only machine (sic) known to
produce intelligence. Animals have intelligence if clinically observed
behaviors are to be used as criteria.
The word 'intelligence' itself encompasses such a broad conceptual range
of still ill defined attributes that to use it as a mechanical descriptor
( i would say: metaphor) eradicates the notion of 'a machine' altogether.
"All motor output starts in a CPG."
In the area you are discussing, no it does not. The CPG is a result of a
prior design process which takes place inside and is a subset to a
preexisting determining environment. What these determinants are and what
this environment consists of are still largely unknown to science. This
includes, in no uncertain terms, the human hue of the environment.
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Author: rscanrscan Date: Apr 27, 2008 08:13
The Blank Slate
From Wikipedia—
Tabula rasa (Latin: blank slate) refers to the epistemological thesis
that individual human beings are born with no innate or built-in
mental content, in a word, "blank", and that their entire resource of
knowledge is built up gradually from their experiences and sensory
perceptions of the outside world.
Generally proponents of the tabula rasa thesis favor the "nurture"
side of the nature versus nurture debate, when it comes to aspects of
one's personality, social and emotional behavior, and intelligence.
End Wikipedia
In today’s neurological thought, the brain is seen as fully and
precisely connected by the genome. The circuitry adapts itself to the
impinging universe. Randomness of connection is an erroneus concept
introduced by the neural net people.
Any argument over the relative relationship between the circuitry as
established by the genome, and the circiuitry as adapted to experience
is vacuus.
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Author: zzbunkerzzbunker Date: Apr 28, 2008 06:06
On Apr 26, 9:57 am, "rs...@ nycap.rr.com" nycap.rr.com> wrote:
> The model for intelligence is the human brain. The brain is the only
> machine known that is capable of producing motor acts that we class as
> intelligent. The notion was promulgated at the Dartmouth Summer
> Conference that intelligence had been described by the predicate
> calculus, and that all that was needed was to mechanize the
> manipulative algebra; the platform being irrelevant. This was done,
> but with unsatisfactory results.
That is very simple to undestand why, since the predicate calculus
has more to with *summer* that it does with *intelligence*.
With is mostly why Adaptive Optics, Digital Communications,
Digital Terrain Mapping, Robots, Microcomputers, fiber optics,
lasers,
masers, satellites, GPS, Lunar Rockets, Cruise Missiles,
Laser-Guided Bombs, HDTV, CD, DVD, Holograms, Cell Phones,
and evolution were invented for the idiots in the Ivy league and
M.I.T.
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> The basis of the scientific approach is the removal of God from the
> Machine. A soul with causal powers is rejected. This is easier said
> than done when we deal with the brain. Man wants a thinker...
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Author: ZerkonXZerkonX Date: Apr 28, 2008 07:48
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 08:13:39 -0700, rscan@ nycap.rr.com wrote:
> The Blank Slate
>
> From Wikipedia—
> Generally proponents of the tabula rasa thesis favor the "nurture" side
> of the nature versus nurture debate, when it comes to aspects of one's
> personality, social and emotional behavior, and intelligence. End
> Wikipedia
this binary, either/or concept, while serving as basis for constructive
discussion, even study, is primitive. Drawing such absolute distinctions
about such unknowns is a matter justified only by utility, not by any
real understanding.
> In today’s neurological thought, the brain is seen as fully and
> precisely connected by the genome. The circuitry adapts itself to the
> impinging universe. Randomness of connection is an erroneus concept
> introduced by the neural net people.
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