Dear Mr Errol,

My apologies for assuming you're American, the rhetoric was so similar I
jumped to conclusions. heard it so often before.

I knew about Wahhabism before 9/11, and even more afterwards.

I totally agree with your views about Iraq, and I almost agree with your
views on Wahhabism and Saudi Arabia including their financial & other
influence in madrasses worldwide and their quite twisted religious views of
which the Taliban in Afghanistan were their #1 example of what can happen in
the extreme.

But, and it's a big BUT my fellow traveller ..... promoting radical racism
on all Muslims in the hyperbolic way that you had previously here is what I
have issue with, and is what I was commenting on. [ including the original
article ]. It's extremist emotionalism, and doesn't serve to solve the
problems you think you wish to resolve. It only makes things worse, not
better, and simple feeds others irrational fears and bigotry of all things
they do not understand.... and usually don't even want to.

So if you want to write a book about your experiences go for it. Just try
not to make into a Mein Kampf type of polemic. Really think about it, and
apply some reason to it along the way.

Here's a few tips fwiw:
Read the dec. of independence, especially the bit about people who are
willing to live under oppression and do nothing about it.

France and England banned slavery long before the USA ... does that mean the
USA people were evil?

You had some issues about saudi arabian banks because you couldn't get ur
funds out. As the saying goes, if you are willing to lie down with dogs to
earn a living, then don't be surprised if you get up with fleas. Your choice
of where you and your wife work is your business, not mine, nor anyone
elses.

Same goes with temp workers. Mexicans cop as much stick from American
employers as those in Saudi Arabia do, malayasia has the same problem with
guest workers. The issue isn't "religion" it's people's attitudes to other
people. Such things transcend religion and culture.

Albanian immigrants generally are treated like shit by the Greeks in Greece.
Is that because they are Greek Orthodox? Don't think so!

Muslims are as offended by almost naked women on TV and at the beach as you
are by Muslim women wearing the hijab. Clothing styles and preferences is no
reason to condemn other people. Some westerners can't stand body piercing
and Goths. I suggest you get over it. It's not important. Styles change, my
dad hated long hair in the 60's. He got over it eventually, but he was a
narrow minded miltary man & a bigot most of his life.

Australia gave women the vote round the same time as New Zealand in 1900.
Long before britain and the USA, and so if women don;t yet have the vote in
muslim countries I'm not going to worry about it. You shouldn't either. It's
THEIR problem, not ours.

The USA invaded the most western Muslim nation on earth - twice! Iraq. Women
worked and had the vote too!!!! Now the can of worms has been re-opened with
radical religious leaders and their subordinates murdering in the name of
Islam, but it isn;t "religion" it';s the people that are the problem.

The KKK is still alive and well in the USA, and so is racism. This racism is
cultural, and it's taught to children by their parents. Some of the most
racists folks I met in the USA were Catholics. Huh? Weird but true.

In the USA, 2 blocks from where I was living a dumb ass white red-neck in
Florida shot to death a couple in thier car stopped at the lights. You know
why? He didn;t know them, but the guy was black and the girl was white. He
didn't like that so he shot them. He thought it was sick. I know what was
sick in that senario .... but am I going to condemn all of the american
culture, all the american people, the american religious fervour of
irrationality that allows invasions of places like Iraq because they are
scared to death of shadows? No .... but I don't mind pointing out the
insanity of some people.

Look at Russia ... what a f**** mess that place is ... if you want to lead a
crusade for stopping the abuse, theft, slave trading & murder of people,
please go there as well.

Is that because of their "religion" too?

Are you willing to never ever put a drop of Saudi Oil into your motor car,
or use an airline that uses Saudi Oil to fly yourself around the world? Put
your money where your mouth is, isn't such a bad rule of thumb.

NO, I am not defending the culture or beliefs of Saudi's, or Arabs. But they
have as much right to choose how they want to live, and under what type of
Govt they live under as you and I are. If they can't get off their asses and
do something about it, then that's THEIR problem, not mine, not the UN's,
and not your's.

But write a book if you want. I'd suggest you write in Arabic and promote it
to the very people you think you can change .... because all this rhetoric
about how bad and evil all these "other" people are on the planet is falling
on deaf ears.

I know why they are like they are already. I don;t need another book to tell
me. It's basically just common sense, and all one needs is a little
intelligence, a little knowledge about human psychology, and a fair dose of
"accurate" historical knowledge, and good heart and mind to comprehend what
it all means.

That's who I am. Hope it helps, and again apologies for assuming ur
american, I didn;t mean to insult you, or your forebears. And thanks for the
in-depth reply, it was worth reading this time around. :-)

Last tip: Choose your "mark" carefully, and seek to illuminate with
compassion not aggression and fear.

cheers

Mr Sean
Down_Under_Thunder

"Errol" gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 25, 4:53 am, "Sean" bro.org> wrote:

let me first introduce myself (ala sympathy for the devil) I am NOT
american, and am definitely NOT an apologist for the bush invasion of
iraq (which you have very incorrectly assumed to be the case in your
scribblings above)

i was living in saudi arabia at the time bush decided to invade iraq
(yes i was there for the $$ - so fucking what?) and i was 100%% dead
against it (the invasion) as the iraqis were simply a scapegoat (the
real threat was a no go area - aka saudi arabia).

the saudis were the biggest single sponsor among all the arab nations
of the madrases system of schooling which simply teaches the koran,
(highlighting the bits about alla turning a blind eye to the killing
of jews and infidels) which has taken root in pakistan, northern
nigeria, and afghanistan. the system focuses entirely on the koran to
the total exclusion of subjects which might allow the student to earn
an actual productive living one day. the graduating student knows only
about the evil jews and western infidels and so is a prime candidate
for blowing himself up in order to fasttrack to heaven (extreme
simplification due to lack of space and time)

I am not sure if you yourself are american and now part of a growing
awareness of the mistakes commited by the bush and crony
administration against the people of iraq and the resultant backlash
against the lies used by bush and co to garner support for their
invasion, but i was against it from the very start. i despaired when
bush poo pooed saddams efforts to destroy missiles as a smokescreen. i
despaired when bush and co ignored the facts that the majority of the
terrorists involved in 9/11 were saudis.

on the day of 9/11 i was in dubai (a magnificant place) and for that
single day and that day alone (out of the 3300+ days i lived in
saudi), and before the infamous events took place, i was unable to
draw money from my saudi card. you might dismiss that with scorn, as
of no consequence but i don't. i was able to draw money using that
card from a multitude of countries, including egypt, pakistan, jthe
yemen, the lebanon, jordan, bahrain, the uae, malaysia, india and sri
lanka and the one day it didn't work was sep/11?? in saudi i had to
keep that fact to myself or i would have ended up as camel fodder. but
surely i could not have been alone in this? surely the cia would have
been aware that a major saudi bank had put a freeze on its funds (in
anticipation of a mass withdrawal of funds due to panic in the
market).

the implications are that the saudi arabian banking system were aware
of what would take place later that day.

you note that i have been to many muslim countries. this is because i
have NO issue with them. my issue is with the wahhabi brand of islam
that saudi arabia is founded on and its open support of a schooling
system designed to produce cannon fodder for its fight against the
west and infidels everywhere. i also abhor that particular brand of
islam for the way it treats women.

my facts are not based on ignorance. been there, seen the movie, read
the fucking book. i have interviewed islamic converts in galle, sri
lanka. wahhabiism has taken root in that natural paradise and the
young men are being brain washed to turn their back on the beauty and
idyllic lifestyle, foment trouble, hate foreigners, treat women as
rubbish, and rebel against the government. The same story is unfolding
in the phillipines.

i could go on and on about the hundreds of indonesian and malaysian
women lined up at their respective embassies in saudi arabia,
desperate to escape the abuse of their saudi masters (owners would be
a better word as slavery was only abolished there in 1962 and with
great reluctance from the locals)

i hope to write and publish a book on the subject within the next few
years.

so mr sean, please introduce yourself and your credentials with regard
to this issue and explain why you have the right to say