Re: "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short." The State of Nature
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Re: "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short." The State of Nature         

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Author: Immortalist
Date: Aug 23, 2008 22:54

On Aug 23, 10:26 pm, turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:
> On Aug 24, 1:01 am, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> Hobbes
>
>> During the time men live without a common power to keep them all in
>> awe, they are in that condition which is called war; and such a war as
>> is of every man against every man. In this state any person has a
>> natural right to do anything to preserve his own liberty or safety,
>> and life is "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short." ...in the
>> international arena, states behave as individuals do in a state of
>> nature.
>
>> Within the state of nature there is no injustice, since there is no
>> law, excepting certain natural precepts, the first of which is "that
>> every man ought to endeavour peace, as far as he has hope of obtaining
>> it". ; and the second is "that a man be willing, when others are so
>> too, as far forth as for peace and defence of himself he shall think
>> it necessary, to lay down this right to all things; and be contented
>> with so much liberty against other men as he would allow other men
>> against himself". . From this, ...the way out of the state of nature
>> [is] into civil government by mutual contract. (bellum omnium contra
>> omnes)
>
>> Locke
>
>> The state of Nature has a law of Nature to govern it, and that law is
>> Reason. ...reason teaches that no one ought to harm another in his
>> life, health, liberty or possessions; and that transgressions of this
>> may be punished. This view of the state of nature is partly deduced
>> from Christian belief (unlike Hobbes, whose philosophy is not
>> dependent upon any prior theology): the reason we may not harm another
>> is that we are all the possessions of God and do not own ourselves.
>
>> Rousseau
>
>> ...Hobbes was taking socialized persons and simply imagining them
>> living outside of the society in which they were raised. [Rousseau]
>> affirmed instead that people were naturally good. Men knew neither
>> vice nor virtue since they had almost no dealings with each other.
>> Their bad habits are the products of civilization. Nevertheless the
>> conditions of nature forced people to enter a state of society by
>> establishing a civil society.
>
>> John Rawls
>
>> [We must use] ...an artificial state of nature. [One that] places
>> everyone in the original position. The original position is a
>> hypothetical state of nature used as a thought experiment: People in
>> the original position have no society and are under a veil of
>> ignorance that prevents them from knowing how they may benefit from
>> society. They do not know if they will be smart or dumb, rich or poor,
>> or anything else about their fortunes and abilities. ...people in the
>> original position would want a society where they had their basic
>> liberties protected and where they had some economic guarantees as
>> well. If society were to be constructed from scratch through a social
>> agreement between individuals, these principles would be the expected
>> basis of such an agreement. Thus, these principles should form the
>> basis of real, modern societies since everyone should consent to them
>> if society were organized from scratch in fair agreements.
>
>
> "if society were organized from scratch in fair agreements"
>
> well thank bog that isn't the case.
>

...if people were somehow raised from birth in an environment devoid
of most cultural influence, they would construct basic elements of
human social life ab initio. In short time new elements of language
would be invented and their culture enriched. Robin Fox, an
anthropologist and pioneer in human sociobiology, has expressed this
hypothesis in its strongest possible terms. Suppose, he conjectured,
that we performed the cruel experiment linked in legend to the Pharaoh
Psammetichus and King James IV of Scotland, who were said to have
reared children by remote control, in total social isolation from
their elders. Would the children learn to speak to one another?

I do not doubt that they could speak and that, theoretically, given
time, they or their offspring would invent and develop a language
despite their never having been taught one. Furthermore, this
language, although totally different from any known to us, would be
analyzable to linguists on the same basis as other languages and
translatable into all known languages. But I would push this further.
If our new Adam and Eve could survive and breed — still in total
isolation from any cultural influences — then eventually they would
produce a society which would have laws about property, rules about
incest and marriage, customs of taboo and avoidance, methods of
settling disputes with a minimum of bloodshed, beliefs about the
supernatural and practices relating to it, a system of social status
and methods of indicating it, initiation ceremonies for young men,
courtship practices including the adornment of females, systems of
symbolic body adornment generally, certain activities and associations
set aside for men from which women were excluded, gambling of some
kind, a tool- and weapon-making industry, myths and legends, dancing,
adultery, and various doses of homicide, suicide, homosexuality,
schizophrenia, psychosis and neuroses, and various practitioners to
take advantage of or cure these, depending on how they are viewed.

In 1945 the American anthropologist George P. Murdock listed the
following characteristics that have been recorded in every culture
known to history and ethnography:

Age-grading, athletic sports, bodily adornment, calendar, cleanliness
training, community organization, cooking, cooperative labor,
cosmology, courtship, dancing, decorative art, divination, division of
labor, dream interpretation, education, eschatology, ethics,
ethnobotany, etiquette, faith healing, family feasting, fire making,
folklore, food taboos, funeral rites, games, gestures, gift giving,
government, greetings, hair styles, hospitality, housing, hygiene,
incest taboos, inheritance rules, joking, kin groups, kinship
nomenclature, language, law, luck superstitions, magic, marriage,
mealtimes, medicine, obstetrics, penal sanctions, personal names,
population policy, postnatal care, pregnancy usages, property rights,
propitiation of supernatural beings, puberty customs, religious
ritual, residence rules, sexual restrictions, soul concepts, status
differentiation, surgery, tool making, trade, visiting, weaving, and
weather control.

Few of these unifying properties can be interpreted as the inevitable
outcome of either advanced social life or high intelligence. It is
easy to imagine nonhuman societies whose members are even more
intelligent and complexly organized than ourselves, yet lack a
majority of the qualities just listed. Consider the possibilities
inherent in the insect societies. The sterile workers are already more
cooperative and altruistic than people and they have a more pronounced
tendency toward caste systems and division of labor. If ants were to
be endowed in addition with rationalizing brains equal to our own,
they could be our peers. Their societies would display the following
peculiarities:

Age-grading, antennal rites, body licking, calendar, cannibalism,
caste determination, caste laws, colony-foundation rules, colony
organization, cleanliness training, communal nurseries, cooperative
labor, cosmology, courtship, division of labor, drone control,
education, eschatology, ethics, etiquette, euthanasia, fire making,
food taboos, gift giving, government, greetings, grooming rituals,
hospitality, housing, hygiene, incest taboos, language, larval care,
law, medicine, metamorphosis rites, mutual regurgitation, nursing
castes, nuptial flights, nutrient eggs, population policy, queen
obeisance, residence rules, sex determination, soldier castes,
sisterhoods, status differentiation, sterile workers, surgery,
symbiont care, tool making, trade, visiting, weather control, and
still other activities so alien as to make mere description by our
language difficult. If in addition they were programmed to eliminate
strife between colonies and to conserve the natural environment they
would have greater staying power than people, and in a broad sense
theirs would be the higher morality.

From On Human Nature by Edward O Wilson http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/067463442X/
> i have something to funny relate:
> if you have a good sense of smell and you put your nose onto the head
> of the dog and sniff deeply it smells sweet. almost like a rose.

Many processes in mammalian and invertebrate central nervous systems
exhibit habituation and/or sensitization of their responses to
repetitive stimuli.

http://jp.physoc.org/cgi/content/full/523/2/479

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...after prolonged exposure to its own chemical signal a receptor can
become refractory to later applications of the same compound, a
process called desensitization. Although many mechanisms produce
diminished responsiveness, desensitization has been shown in several
instances to result from protein phosphorylation.

http://ifcsun1.ifisiol.unam.mx/Brain/secmen.htm
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