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Author: zinniczinnic Date: Jul 30, 2008 07:57
The software operated by my computer contains many instructions that
involve commands such as.... IF [X] then GOTO [Y].
Are appropriate responses to these commands by computers evidence
of primitive forms of conscious awareness and/or hard-wired
instincts. If not, why not?
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Author: bigfletch8bigfletch8 Date: Jul 30, 2008 08:19
On Jul 31, 12:57 am, zinnic gate.net> wrote:> The software operated by my computer contains many instructions that
> involve commands such as.... IF [X] then GOTO [Y].
> Are appropriate responses to these commands by computers evidence
> of primitive forms of conscious awareness and/or hard-wired
> instincts. If not, why not?
The answer is more simple than it appears.Where there is consciousness
their is volition, even at the most primitive level.
Life cannot be created. Even dolly the sheep could not be cloned
without the introduction of living cells.
Life comes from life and consciousness is an accumulation of life
experiences.
BOfL
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Author: Sir FrederickSir Frederick Date: Jul 30, 2008 08:26
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:57:50 -0700 (PDT), zinnic gate.net> wrote:
>The software operated by my computer contains many instructions that
>involve commands such as.... IF [X] then GOTO [Y].
>Are appropriate responses to these commands by computers evidence
>of primitive forms of conscious awareness and/or hard-wired
>instincts. If not, why not?
No.
The circuitry for supporting a virtual reality of the computer
with a computer "self" representation of the computer being
"conscious" is not present. In humans those neural patterns
are extent, and we practice in our personal virtual reality "self"
representation, including the representational model aspect of
"consciousness".
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Author: Sir FrederickSir Frederick Date: Jul 30, 2008 09:07
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:19:08 -0700 (PDT), "bigfletch8@ gmail.com"
gmail.com> wrote:
>On Jul 31, 12:57 am, zinnic gate.net> wrote:>> The software operated by my computer contains many instructions that
>> involve commands such as.... IF [X] then GOTO [Y].
>> Are appropriate responses to these commands by computers evidence
>> of primitive forms of conscious awareness and/or hard-wired
>> instincts. If not, why not?
>
>The answer is more simple than it appears.Where there is consciousness
>their is volition, even at the most primitive level.
>Life cannot be created. Even dolly the sheep could not be cloned
>without the introduction of living cells.
>
>Life comes from life and consciousness is an accumulation of life
>experiences.
>
>BOfL
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Author: zinniczinnic Date: Jul 30, 2008 10:27
On Jul 30, 10:26 am, Sir Frederick fuzzysys.com> wrote:> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:57:50 -0700 (PDT), zinnic gate.net> wrote:>>The software operated by my computer contains many instructions that
>>involve commands such as.... IF [X] then GOTO [Y].
>>Are appropriate responses to these commands by computers evidence
>>of primitive forms of conscious awareness and/or hard-wired
>>instincts. If not, why not?
>
> No.
> The circuitry for supporting a virtual reality of the computer
> with a computer "self" representation of the computer being
> "conscious" is not present. In humans those neural patterns
> are extent, and we practice in our personal virtual reality "self"
> representation, including the representational model aspect of
> "consciousness".
If instructions are included regarding an appropriate response by
the computer IF its temperature reaches [X}, why is that NOT a
primitive beginning of self-realisation?
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Author: zinniczinnic Date: Jul 30, 2008 10:59
On Jul 30, 10:19 am, "bigflet...@ gmail.com" gmail.com>
wrote:> On Jul 31, 12:57 am, zinnic gate.net> wrote:
>>> The software operated by my computer contains many instructions that
>> involve commands such as.... IF [X] then GOTO [Y].
>> Are appropriate responses to these commands by computers evidence
>> of primitive forms of conscious awareness and/or hard-wired
>> instincts. If not, why not?
>
> The answer is more simple than it appears.Where there is consciousness
> their is volition, even at the most primitive level.
When will you learn that there are no "simple answers"?
Is volition/consciousness involved when a snow flake 'responds' to
to an increase in temperature?
> Life cannot be created. Even dolly the sheep could not be cloned
> without the introduction of living cells.
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Author: John StaffordJohn Stafford Date: Jul 30, 2008 11:41
> The software operated by my computer contains many instructions that
> involve commands such as.... IF [X] then GOTO [Y].
> Are appropriate responses to these commands by computers evidence
> of primitive forms of conscious awareness and/or hard-wired
> instincts. If not, why not?
It seems obvious that the computer is not conscious by virtue of its lack
of behavior to maintain survival, and replication is not part of its
essential construction.
Amoeba have behavior - they move towards food and they avoid pain and they
replicate. And they have virtually no nervous system. Are they conscious?
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Author: John StaffordJohn Stafford Date: Jul 30, 2008 11:43
> If instructions are included regarding an appropriate response by
> the computer IF its temperature reaches [X}, why is that NOT a
> primitive beginning of self-realisation?
That response is so not-life that it is not even primitive.
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Author: zinniczinnic Date: Jul 30, 2008 12:17
On Jul 30, 1:43 pm, John Stafford winona.edu> wrote:>> If instructions are included regarding an appropriate response by
>> the computer IF its temperature reaches [X}, why is that NOT a
>> primitive beginning of self-realisation?
>
> That response is so not-life that it is not even primitive.
I did not suggest it was primitive life!, Response is necessary but
not sufficient for life That is, there is no life in the absence of
response
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Author: zinniczinnic Date: Jul 30, 2008 12:19
On Jul 30, 1:41 pm, John Stafford winona.edu> wrote:>> The software operated by my computer contains many instructions that
>> involve commands such as.... IF [X] then GOTO [Y].
>> Are appropriate responses to these commands by computers evidence
>> of primitive forms of conscious awareness and/or hard-wired
>> instincts. If not, why not?
>
> It seems obvious that the computer is not conscious by virtue of its lack
> of behavior to maintain survival, and replication is not part of its
> essential construction.
>
> Amoeba have behavior - they move towards food and they avoid pain and they
> replicate. And they have virtually no nervous...
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