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Author: Bret CahillBret Cahill Date: Feb 17, 2008 13:10
These figures do not reflect the great disparity of wealth in the U.
S. South, so, while almost all Europeans enjoy a comfortable normal
middle class life, a large and growing majority of Southerners live in
economic uncertainty and fear. These numbers do not even come close
to exposing the disparity of misery between the Europe and the U. S.
South.
With less disparity of wealth almost all Europeans have a fairly good
education while the U. S. South is saddled with creationists, bigots
and other really ignorant folk.
With less disparity of wealth Europe has much less violent crime and a
much higher quality of life.
The Dutch with the highest taxes of all are the tallest people of any
western country.
Bret Cahill
> Since Slushfundicans from the American south so often like to proclaim
> themselves "conservatives" and, as such, so often like to disparage
> the "Euro-Socialist" economies of Western Europe, I thought...
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Author: Fred WeissFred Weiss Date: Feb 17, 2008 16:59
On Feb 17, 4:10 pm, Bret Cahill aol.com> wrote:
> These figures do not reflect the great disparity of wealth in the U.
> S. South, so, while almost all Europeans enjoy a comfortable normal
> middle class life, a large and growing majority of Southerners live in
> economic uncertainty and fear. These numbers do not even come close
> to exposing the disparity of misery between the Europe and the U. S.
> South.
Brat is here trying to gloss over the simple fact that Europeans in
general have a GDP per capita income level roughly comparable to the
American South, which is generally the poorest region in the United
States. And that disparity is understated because taxes in the US are
much lower. Brat in fact positively relishes the high taxes in Europe,
a view which is not entirely shared by those who have to pay them.
As for "misery" and "uncertainty and fear", maybe he should talk to
the chronically unemployed in Europe, or the immigrants, or those who
fear and loathe the immigrants, or address the "fairly good education"
of the skinheads, or for all of their supposed "higher quality of
life" the reason behind their significantly higher suicide rates.
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Author: tomaxotomaxo Date: Feb 17, 2008 17:33
Fred Weiss wrote:
> On Feb 17, 4:10 pm, Bret Cahill aol.com> wrote:
>
>> These figures do not reflect the great disparity of wealth in the U.
>> S. South, so, while almost all Europeans enjoy a comfortable normal
>> middle class life, a large and growing majority of Southerners live in
>> economic uncertainty and fear. These numbers do not even come close
>> to exposing the disparity of misery between the Europe and the U. S.
>> South.
>
> Brat is here trying to gloss over the simple fact that Europeans in
> general have a GDP per capita income level roughly comparable to the
> American South, which is generally the poorest region in the United
> States. And that disparity is understated because taxes in the US are
> much lower. Brat in fact positively relishes the high taxes in Europe,
> a view which is not entirely shared by those who have to pay them.
>
> As for "misery" and "uncertainty and fear", maybe he should talk to
> the chronically unemployed in Europe, or the immigrants, or those who
> fear and loathe the immigrants, or address the "fairly good education" ...
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Author: ChasNemoChasNemo Date: Feb 17, 2008 17:50
On Feb 17, 4:10Â pm, Bret Cahill aol.com> wrote:
> These figures do not reflect the great disparity of wealth in the U.
> S. South, so, while almost all Europeans enjoy a comfortable normal
> middle class life, a large and growing majority of Southerners live in
> economic uncertainty and fear. Â These numbers do not even come close
> to exposing the disparity of misery between the Europe and the U. S.
> South.
>
> With less disparity of wealth almost all Europeans have a fairly good
> education while the U. S. South is saddled with creationists, bigots
> and other really ignorant folk.
>
> With less disparity of wealth Europe has much less violent crime and a
> much higher quality of life.
>
> The Dutch with the highest taxes of all are the tallest people of any
> western country.
>
> Bret Cahill
> ...
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Author: Bret CahillBret Cahill Date: Feb 17, 2008 18:19
>>> These figures do not reflect the great disparity of wealth in the U.
>>> S. South, so, while almost all Europeans enjoy a comfortable normal
>>> middle class life, a large and growing majority of Southerners live in
>>> economic uncertainty and fear. �These numbers do not even come close
>>> to exposing the disparity of misery between the Europe and the U. S.
>>> South.
>
>> Brat is here trying to gloss over the simple fact that Europeans in
>> general have a GDP per capita income level roughly comparable to the
>> American South, which is generally the poorest region in the United
>> States. And that disparity is understated because taxes in the US are
>> much lower. Brat in fact positively relishes the high taxes in Europe,
>> a view which is not entirely shared by those who have to pay them.
>
>> As for "misery" and "uncertainty and fear", maybe he should talk to
>> the chronically unemployed in Europe, or the immigrants, or those who
>> fear and loathe the immigrants, or address the "fairly good education"
>> of the skinheads, or for all of their supposed "higher quality of
>> life" the reason behind their significantly higher suicide rates.
> ...
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Author: Bret CahillBret Cahill Date: Feb 17, 2008 18:25
>> These figures do not reflect the great disparity of wealth in the U.
>> S. South, so, while almost all Europeans enjoy a comfortable normal
>> middle class life, a large and growing majority of Southerners live in
>> economic uncertainty and fear. Â These numbers do not even come close
>> to exposing the disparity of misery between the Europe and the U. S.
>> South.
>
>> With less disparity of wealth almost all Europeans have a fairly good
>> education while the U. S. South is saddled with creationists, bigots
>> and other really ignorant folk.
>
>> With less disparity of wealth Europe has much less violent crime and a
>> much higher quality of life.
>
>> The Dutch with the highest taxes of all are the tallest people of any
>> western country.
>
>> Bret Cahill
>
>>> Since Slushfundicans from the American south so often like to proclaim ...
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Author: Bret CahillBret Cahill Date: Feb 17, 2008 18:39
> �If you factor in the massive
> federal subidisation of the South (Virginia, which is #1 amongst the
> southern states, is second only to Alaska in federal defense spending
> per capita), the disparity becomes even more pronounced.
The very idea of blue states subsidizing poor southern red states
who go bonkers over a "welfare queen"
Some goober dittoheads are just asking for a constitutional amendment
that will cut the federal pork from their states unless they pay
their fair share.
> Second, if it is the greatere taxation in Europe causes the U.S.
> statistics to be "understated", are you suggesting the same is true
> for the higher taxed states of Massachussettes and Connecticut, which
> come in substantially higher than any of the southern states on a "per-
> capita GDP" basis? �In fact the overwhelming majority of the upper end
> of the list is made up of higher taxed Blue states. �Or do you not
> actually believe that these states are richer than the U.S. south?
>
> Third, You've gotta have a hell of a sense of humor
I can't say if he has a sense of humor. I can say he's funny.
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Author: tgtg Date: Feb 18, 2008 03:10
On Feb 17, 9:39 pm, Bret Cahill aol.com> wrote:
>> �If you factor in the massive
>> federal subidisation of the South (Virginia, which is #1 amongst the
>> southern states, is second only to Alaska in federal defense spending
>> per capita), the disparity becomes even more pronounced.
>
> The very idea of blue states subsidizing poor southern red states
> who go bonkers over a "welfare queen"
>
> Some goober dittoheads are just asking for a constitutional amendment
> that will cut the federal pork from their states unless they pay
> their fair share.
>
I say give them their liberty, asap. Every tax dollar received from a
state should be spent in that state. (Or mideast oil colony, of
course.)
-tg
>> Second, if it is the greatere taxation in Europe causes the U.S.
>> statistics to be "understated", are you suggesting the same is true
>> for the higher taxed states of Massachussettes and Connecticut...
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Author: 1Z1Z Date: Feb 18, 2008 03:20
On 18 Feb, 00:59, Fred Weiss papertig.com> wrote:
> Brat is here trying to gloss over the simple fact that Europeans in
> general have a GDP per capita income level roughly comparable to the
> American South, which is generally the poorest region in the United
> States. And that disparity is understated because taxes in the US are
> much lower. Brat in fact positively relishes the high taxes in Europe,
> a view which is not entirely shared by those who have to pay them.
They have the opportunity to vote for a lower tax regime and
generally don'.t
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Author: Fred WeissFred Weiss Date: Feb 18, 2008 04:25
On Feb 18, 6:20 am, 1Z yahoo.com> wrote:
> They have the opportunity to vote for a lower tax regime and
> generally don'.t
Probably most don't. Most Europeans - and an unfortunately growing
number of Americans want to be "taken care of" by a paternalistic
state. But others, outvoted at the polls, are "voting with their
feet".
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/26/business/worldbusiness/26labor.html
It's unfortunate that our immigration laws are so restrictive. We
should welcome and encourage this "brain drain" and try and bring in
as many of these people as possible - even to the point of actively
recruiting them.
Europe would then have the dilemma of all these people who want to be
taken care of - but no one willing to take care of them. No doubt the
tax laws would be radically changed well before that to avoid economic
collapse - just as they have been in Eastern Europe. There are some
suggestive hints it may be moving in that direction with the
noticeable "rightward" tilt of recent elections in Europe.
Fred Weiss
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