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Author: turtoni
Date: Aug 19, 2007 17:40

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2007/s2004031.htm

PM - Monday, 13 August , 2007 18:34:00
Reporter: Mark Colvin

MARK COLVIN: "The fight against bad English is not frivolous", said
George Orwell, who argued that, "the slovenliness of our language
makes it easier for us to have foolish thoughts". These days one of
the strongest proponents of Orwell's argument that sloppy writing
breeds sloppy thinking is a man called Denis Dutton.

A professor of philosophy at the University of Canterbury in New
Zealand, Denis Dutton is also editor of the website Arts and Letters
Daily, and for some years he ran an extremely successful annual Bad
Writing contest for turgid prose from around the world.

Denis Dutton is in Sydney for tonight's CIS Big Ideas forum, and I
asked him today about his campaign against bad writing.

DENIS DUTTON: I was finally so sick of the awful writing that was
coming out English departments in particular in the 1990s that I
decided to use the Internet to solicit entries in a bad writing
contest. And the rules were that it had to be published writing, that
it had to be published by a university press or a reputable publisher.
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Re: "Sloppy writing breeds sloppy thinking"         


Author: pico
Date: Aug 19, 2007 19:06

turtoni wrote:

Also see: http://www.putlearningfirst.com/language/21plain/wwwrite.html

I could make my argument much longer and therefore more profound, less
susceptible to scrutiny and in accord with the anti-entropy
fundamentalists so that by its very complexity the sentence is seen to
be a positive emergent characteristic albeit unsupported by its own
content, however remaining attractive until deconstructed by a
post-modernist in a sentence ten times longer, as required by the
post-mods, and then become an example of why early forms of
high-complexity failed to evolve because a smarter person less tolerant
of run-on sentences stomped the living shit out him.

See the Monty Python big foot as a moderator of evolution.
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Re: "Sloppy writing breeds sloppy thinking"         


Author: Don Stockbauer
Date: Aug 19, 2007 20:12

On Aug 19, 8:06 pm, pico wrote:
> turtoni wrote:
>
> Also see:http://www.putlearningfirst.com/language/21plain/wwwrite.html
>
> I could make my argument much longer and therefore more profound, less
> susceptible to scrutiny and in accord with the anti-entropy
> fundamentalists so that by its very complexity the sentence is seen to
> be a positive emergent characteristic albeit unsupported by its own
> content, however remaining attractive until deconstructed by a
> post-modernist in a sentence ten times longer, as required by the
> post-mods, and then become an example of why early forms of
> high-complexity failed to evolve because a smarter person less tolerant
> of run-on sentences stomped the living shit out him.
>...
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Re: "Sloppy writing breeds sloppy thinking"         


Author: ZerkonX
Date: Aug 20, 2007 05:23

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 00:40:11 +0000, turtoni wrote:
> Can you recall any particular examples, winners of your Bad Writing
> Contest?

LOL.. here's one winner...
========================================
Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom (1786)
Thomas Jefferson

Whereas Almighty God hath created the mind free; that all attempts to
influence it by temporal punishments or burthens, or by civil
incapacitations, tend only to beget habits of hypocrisy and meanness...
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Re: "Sloppy writing breeds sloppy thinking"         


Author: ZerkonX
Date: Aug 20, 2007 05:25

On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 00:40:11 +0000, turtoni wrote:
> MARK COLVIN: "The fight against bad English is not frivolous"

Sod off, wanker!!!
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Re: "Sloppy writing breeds sloppy thinking"         


Author: pico
Date: Aug 20, 2007 18:02

ZerkonX wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 00:40:11 +0000, turtoni wrote:
>
>> Can you recall any particular examples, winners of your Bad Writing
>> Contest?
>
> LOL.. here's one winner...
> ========================================
> Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom (1786)
> Thomas Jefferson
>
> Whereas Almighty God [...]

When I learned English very long sentences, some as long as a couple
pages were common. I can follow very long sentences. I have no problem
whatsoever with them.

However, within the past fifty years it seems that there are no rational
arguments or rational writers who can put together a long sentence with
any cogent qualities whatsoever.
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Re: "Sloppy writing breeds sloppy thinking"         


Author: kevirwin
Date: Aug 21, 2007 11:41

On Aug 19, 8:40 pm, turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:
> http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2007/s2004031.htm
>
> PM - Monday, 13 August , 2007 18:34:00
> Reporter: Mark Colvin
>
> MARK COLVIN: "The fight against bad English is not frivolous", said
> George Orwell, who argued that, "the slovenliness of our language
> makes it easier for us to have foolish thoughts". These days one of
> the strongest proponents of Orwell's argument that sloppy writing
> breeds sloppy thinking is a man called Denis Dutton.
>
> A professor of philosophy at the University of Canterbury in New
> Zealand, Denis Dutton is also editor of the website Arts and Letters
> Daily, and for some years he ran an extremely successful annual Bad
> Writing contest for turgid prose from around the world.
>
> Denis Dutton is in Sydney for tonight's CIS Big Ideas forum, and I
> asked him today about his campaign against bad writing.
> ...
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Re: "Sloppy writing breeds sloppy thinking"         


Author: turtoni
Date: Aug 22, 2007 00:37

On Aug 21, 2:41 pm, kevirwin comcast.net> wrote:
> On Aug 19, 8:40 pm, turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:
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>> PM - Monday, 13 August , 2007 18:34:00
>> Reporter: Mark Colvin
>
>> MARK COLVIN: "The fight against bad English is not frivolous", said
>> George Orwell, who argued that, "the slovenliness of our language
>> makes it easier for us to have foolish thoughts". These days one of
>> the strongest proponents of Orwell's argument that sloppy writing
>> breeds sloppy thinking is a man called Denis Dutton.
>
>> A professor of philosophy at the University of Canterbury in New
>> Zealand, Denis Dutton is also editor of the website Arts and Letters ...
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Re: "Sloppy writing breeds sloppy thinking"         


Author: kevirwin
Date: Aug 22, 2007 01:13

On Aug 22, 3:37 am, turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:
> On Aug 21, 2:41 pm, kevirwin comcast.net> wrote:
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>> On Aug 19, 8:40 pm, turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:
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>>> PM - Monday, 13 August , 2007 18:34:00
>>> Reporter: Mark Colvin
>
>>> MARK COLVIN: "The fight against bad English is not frivolous", said
>>> George Orwell, who argued that, "the slovenliness of our language
>>> makes it easier for us to have foolish thoughts". These days one of
>>> the strongest proponents of Orwell's argument that sloppy writing
>>> breeds sloppy thinking is a man called Denis Dutton.
> ...
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Re: "Sloppy writing breeds sloppy thinking"         


Author: turtoni
Date: Aug 22, 2007 21:10

On Aug 22, 4:13 am, kevirwin comcast.net> wrote:
> On Aug 22, 3:37 am, turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:
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>> On Aug 21, 2:41 pm, kevirwin comcast.net> wrote:
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>>> On Aug 19, 8:40 pm, turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:
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>>>> PM - Monday, 13 August , 2007 18:34:00
>>>> Reporter: Mark Colvin
>
>>>> MARK COLVIN: "The fight against bad English is not frivolous", said
>>>> George Orwell, who argued that, "the slovenliness of our language
>>>> makes it easier for us to have foolish thoughts". These days one of
>>>> the strongest proponents of Orwell's argument that sloppy writing ...
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