> On Aug 15, 5:37 am, "Tron" wrote:
>

>> Hi,

>

>> "turtoni" fastmail.net> skrev i meldingnews:00fbfab5-53b5-4a9f-ae82-8ebe766f4268@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>> On Aug 14, 8:32 pm, "Tron" wrote:

>

>>>This is too much to debate. Too many subjectivities. We'll end up
>>>going around and around.

>

>> Making us two peripatetic old gentlemen....

>
> Indeed.
>

>>>I'm pointing out that the seed of the subjectivity lays within the
>>>physical objectivities.
>>>Simple stuff but often over looked.

>

>> That some explanations are based on observations?

>

>> Wow...

>
> To remember that simple objective ideas are confabulated into complex
> subjective stories.
>
> "According to karma, performing positive actions results in a good
> condition in one's experience, whereas a negative action results in a
> bad effect."
>
> What is a positive action? Jumping successfully from one branch to
> another branch? Or is a positive action a complex subjective story?
>

>>>Imagine going out and actually physically climbing a mountain.

>

>> Are you being funny? "Imagine actually physically climbing..." What is the
>> phenomenon here? The imagining? The actual physical climbing?

>
> The actual physical climbing. We'd need to be pretty objective about
> the whole process. Not much room for subjectivity.