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> On Aug 11, 6:56 am, "tooly" bellsouth.net> wrote:
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>> "turtoni" fastmail.net> wrote in message

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>> On Aug 10, 2:07 am, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:

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>>> On Aug 9, 9:14 pm, turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:

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>>>> For example:
>>>> Jumping from one branch on a tree to another branch. If you don't get
>>>> it right you're going to fall to the ground.

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>>>> Confabulated into complex subjective stories about Karma.

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>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJbveRjbzAk

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>> The stories i practice are good:

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>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK33KD7j_nc

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>> HTHelps.

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>> How about the moral of a novel?
>> A good example I always thought was Hemingway's 'The Sun Also Rises'. In
>> it, he paints the female mystique sort of like the black widow...unless
>> one
>> is 'Jake' and can approach properly.

>>>The matrix of stories are pretty complex. People are all pretty
>>>different in my experience. Generalizations are typically
>>>inappropriate unless you'd think about in the terms of the characters
>>>you'd like to imagine in a novel of your own making.

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> As our discussion unfolds, I realize that a main ingredient to an effective
> story is that it explains something the rest of us 'see' but cannot
> articulate well.  Any man knows of the power of womanhood early on (in ref
> to Sun Also Rises).  As they age, they realize [I did anyway] how for the
> sake of pleasing woman, the man jumps through hoops of her liking
> [hopefully].  I like the idea that we are all 'Dancing Bears'.  But I speak
> to an  underlying nature and not the human interaction itself and the dance
> itself can be a very serious matter, entering into violent conflict and
> death...even perhaps war.   Most women would not see themselves as pupper
> masters, yet...nature has made it that way nonetheless.  IMHO.
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> Anyway, novelists like Hemingway seemed to have a knack for explaining or
> giving a clear expose' in the storyline of some of these underlying natures
> to what we are.   They are deep and not explained outright, but left up to
> the reader to discern as they read [to abstract the relationships to a more
> universal level].  That depth is probably why such stories are not held as
> cultural benchmarks, but more intellectual curiosity (and the earmark of a
> noted writer versus dime store fare).   But I think the dynamic would hold
> even in the cultural benchmarks, just more surficial that the commoner can
> grasp better.  Ahh...but then, this idea of Christ dying for our sins...I
> guess that gets about as abstract as you can get.  The Priests always gave
> us simple answers to the questions though, perhaps which made the storyline
> work better.  In summation, re-read my first sentence.