On 27 Aug 2008 19:22:11 GMT, "Dan Drake"
dandrake.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:40:03 UTC, "Rod Speed" gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> John Fields austininstruments.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed gmail.com> wrote
>>>> John Fields austininstruments.com> wrote
>>
>>>>> And only a few years ago admitted that Geocentrism was wrong.
>>
>>>> No they didnt. They actually admitted that they treated Galileo badly at that time.
>>
>>> At the heart of the bad treatment was Galileo's recalcitrance
>>> in recanting his support of Copernicus' heliocentric system.
>>
>> Yes, but even those fools had managed to work out that the
>> earth did indeed revolve around the sun LONG before that
>> most recent admission of how badly Galileo had been treated.
>>
>>> In the end, though, the church broke him and he did recant, so
>>> their recent admission of guilt in treating him badly was tantamount
>>> to their accepting Copernicus's geocentric system as true.
>>
>> Yes, but even those fools had managed to work out that the
>> earth did indeed revolve around the sun LONG before that
>> most recent admission of how badly Galileo had been treated.
>
>It was not in dispute in 1822, when they *finally* *completely* cleared
>Galileo's work for unrestricted publication; before that, when they made
>some moves in that direction, it's much less clear, despite frequent
>claims that hte Church had it all settled in 1700-whatever.
>
>Department of satirical prophecy: Galileo wrote a note in the margin of a
>copy of the Dialogue that the theologians should take care, because later
>on it might be decided that Earth really does move, and then the ones
>holding to the old view might have to be persecuted as heretics! So, in
>1822, there was a stubborn censor who would not clear the work for
>publication, and the Holy Office (Inquisition) had to threaten him!
>
>[Sorry about the two screamers, but this is just too much fun.]
>
>See Annibale Fantoli, "Galileo: For Copernicanism and for the Church", p.
>357. Published by the Vatican Observatory, by the way.
>
>
>>
>>>> And didnt have the balls to even mention Bruno.
>>
>>> Not true.
>>
>> Fraid so.
>>
>>> From:
>>
>>
>>> "Four hundred years after his execution, official expression of
>>> "profound sorrow" and acknowledgement of error at Bruno's
>>> condemnation to death was made, during the papacy of John Paul II."
>>
>> That wasnt when they fessed up to the fools they had made of themselves over Galileo.
>
>Has anybody read what they actually *said* in their formal statement (plus
>other pronunciamenti at the time)? I haven't, so it would be nice to hear
>specifics from someone who had. The text that happens to reside in a
>WIkipedia article at any given time is, sadly enough, not an authority
>anyone could rely on.
---
If you haven't read what they actually *said* in their formal
statement (plus other pronunciamenti at the time) you might want to,
in order to determine whether the text, which you're condemning as not
being authoritative, really wasn't. :-)
JF