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Author: ErrolErrol Date: Feb 18, 2008 03:47
Just read an interesting article by Robert L. Campbell, assistant
editor of the Journal of Ayn Rand studies. The article called Altruism
in Auguste Comte and Ayn Rand was (in my opinion) quite balanced. The
author, although an enthusiastic student of Rand's ideas, criticizes
those who blindly worship her instead of her ideas.
"I have quit using the Objectivist label, because I do not accept
Rand's philosophy as a total package--and Rand, loudly seconded today
by those who would rather worship her than think critically about her
ideas, insisted that her philosophy be accepted or rejected as a total
package".
Anyway, The article investigates the origin of Rand's criticism of
altruism as in the Randroid chant, "leftist do-gooders who live for
others". The originator of altruism (the word at least) was Auguste
Comte, and his early definition of altruism was
"The placing of others above self, of their interests above one's
own". Comte even took it further by adding "we should not love
ourselves at all", and actively fight against such impulses.
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Author: ZerkonXZerkonX Date: Feb 18, 2008 06:14
On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 03:47:32 -0800, Errol wrote:
> Just read an interesting article by Robert L. Campbell, assistant editor
> of the Journal of Ayn Rand studies. The article called Altruism in
> Auguste Comte and Ayn Rand was (in my opinion) quite balanced...
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Author: John JonesJohn Jones Date: Feb 18, 2008 06:22
Errol wrote:
> Just read an interesting article by Robert L. Campbell, assistant
> editor of the Journal of Ayn Rand studies. The article called Altruism
> in Auguste Comte and Ayn Rand was (in my opinion) quite balanced. The
> author, although an enthusiastic student of Rand's ideas, criticizes
> those who blindly worship her instead of her ideas.
>
> "I have quit using the Objectivist label, because I do not accept
> Rand's philosophy as a total package--and Rand, loudly seconded today
> by those who would rather worship her than think critically about her
> ideas, insisted that her philosophy be accepted or rejected as a total
> package".
>
> Anyway, The article investigates the origin of Rand's criticism of
> altruism as in the Randroid chant, "leftist do-gooders who live for
> others". The originator of altruism (the word at least) was Auguste
> Comte, and his early definition of altruism was
> "The placing of others above self, of their interests above one's
> own". Comte even took it further by adding "we should not love
> ourselves at all", and actively fight against such impulses. ...
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Author: travistravis Date: Feb 18, 2008 18:46
What I'm a little about is Toohey. Rand says that Toohey is the worst
thing a man can be, however it's not like he is doing it out of some
duty (that Kantian duty), he actually believes in altruism and is
happy about it. He chooses to be this way.
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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: Feb 18, 2008 21:24
The school of evolutionary biology, called Sociobiology, pioneered by
E.O. Wilson, has promoted the hypothesis that human behaviour has an
evolutionary basis and that this has ethical implications. In his
book, On Human Nature, Wilson argues that behaviours and cultural
beliefs as diverse as altruism, religion and hope can be explained by
evolutionary biology. Many of the examples of altruistic behaviour
where one animal seems to sacrifice itself for the survival of others
is now thought to be due to "kin selection", a variant of natural
selection. This is the term given to the behaviour of an animal which
favours the survival of another animal that shares a proportion of its
DNA. Thus, a parent may sacrifice for an offspring "knowing" that the
offspring shares half the DNA and has only to...
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Author: ErrolErrol Date: Feb 18, 2008 23:31
On Feb 18, 4:14 pm, ZerkonX X.net> wrote:
>> Just a few comments. takem/leavem
>
> Altruism is not something thought up then written down, by Comte or
> bible, then followed . The word was and is used to describe a certain
> type of human behavior. IOW, writing it down as word or philosophy comes
> after the type of act itself.
>
Actually it was. The word and the early specific philosophy were
coined by Comte.
> Altruistic behavior was, until recently, thought to be a characteristic
> singular to humans. However, science has found it is not. So any valid
> discussion of altruism should start here, it is instinctual human
> behavior in certain situations.
>
It's not a general discussion of altruism. it is specifically about
the Randian interpretation of altruism.
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Author: ErrolErrol Date: Feb 18, 2008 23:39
On Feb 19, 7:24 am, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:
> The school of evolutionary biology, called Sociobiology, pioneered by
> E.O. Wilson, has promoted the hypothesis that human behaviour has an
> evolutionary basis and that this has ethical implications. In his
> book, On Human Nature, Wilson argues that behaviours and cultural
> beliefs as diverse as altruism, religion and hope can be explained by
> evolutionary biology. Many of the examples of altruistic behaviour
> where one animal seems to sacrifice itself for the survival of others
> is now thought to be due to "kin selection", a variant of natural
> selection. This is the term given to the behaviour of an animal which
> favours the survival of another animal that shares a proportion of its
> DNA. Thus, a parent may sacrifice for an offspring "knowing" that the
> offspring shares half the DNA and has only to have two children to
> make the sacrifice genetically worthwhile. Similarly siblings share
> 50%% of their genes, nephews and nieces have 25%% and so on.
>
> Kin selection seems to explain much of what Wilson calls "hard-core
> altruism". This includes the song-call of birds to warn others of the
> presence of predators, that would seem to put the singer at risk. It
> includes the curious stotting of gazelles, whereby one will jump into ...
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Author: ErrolErrol Date: Feb 18, 2008 23:42
On Feb 19, 4:46 am, travis gmail.com> wrote:
> What I'm a little about is Toohey. Rand says that Toohey is the worst
> thing a man can be, however it's not like he is doing it out of some
> duty (that Kantian duty), he actually believes in altruism and is
> happy about it. He chooses to be this way.
Rand was a novelist who used characters to underline her philosophical
beliefs. She probably softened him a bit to avoid excessive
stereotyping.
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Author: John JonesJohn Jones Date: Feb 19, 2008 06:01
travis wrote:
> What I'm a little about is Toohey. Rand says that Toohey is the worst
> thing a man can be, however it's not like he is doing it out of some
> duty (that Kantian duty), he actually believes in altruism and is
> happy about it. He chooses to be this way.
What?
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