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Author: mimusmimus Date: May 14, 2008 02:00
On Wed, 14 May 2008 00:54:37 +0200, Jasper Janssen wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 04:28:40 GMT, "Christopher Adams"
> wrote:
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>>PROTIP: Only people who haven't studied history in the last couple of
>>decades still think of them as "the Dark Ages".
>
> They're still the Dark Ages, that's just what they're called. It just
> doesn't mean any longer that nothing ahppened during them and we reverted
> to cavemen for the duration.
No, but it was probably worse . . . .
Wasn't literacy and by extension any independent thought at least de facto
prohibited among the general non-aristocratic non-priestly populace?
We certainly don't seem to have much non-aristocratic non-priestly
literature from then.
And I don't mean folk-songs from the field-hands, either.
So what does this revisionism about the seemingly well-merited title "the
Dark Ages" amount to, exactly?
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Author: Matthias WarkusMatthias Warkus Date: May 14, 2008 03:48
mimus schrieb:
> On Wed, 14 May 2008 00:54:37 +0200, Jasper Janssen wrote:
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>> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 04:28:40 GMT, "Christopher Adams"
>> wrote:
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>>> PROTIP: Only people who haven't studied history in the last couple of
>>> decades still think of them as "the Dark Ages".
>> They're still the Dark Ages, that's just what they're called. It just
>> doesn't mean any longer that nothing ahppened during them and we reverted
>> to cavemen for the duration.
>
> No, but it was probably worse . . . .
>
> Wasn't literacy and by extension any independent thought at least de facto
> prohibited among the general non-aristocratic non-priestly populace?
Not really.
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Author: GeneGene Date: May 14, 2008 11:10
Matthias Warkus wrote in
news:g0eg2i$13ku$2@news.nnrp.de:
>> So what does this revisionism about the seemingly well-
merited title "the
>> Dark Ages" amount to, exactly?
>
> OFCS just read up. Something called the Mediaeval
Agricultural (and
> Industrial) Revolution happened then, enabling Europe to
vastly increase
> its population, for example.
True. Another factor was that the term didn't seem appropriate
to the High Middle Ages anyway.
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Author: mimusmimus Date: May 14, 2008 13:12
On Wed, 14 May 2008 18:10:47 +0000, Gene wrote:
> Matthias Warkus wrote in
> news:g0eg2i$13ku$2@news.nnrp.de:
>
>>> So what does this revisionism about the seemingly well-
> merited title "the
>>> Dark Ages" amount to, exactly?
>>
>> OFCS just read up. Something called the Mediaeval
> Agricultural (and
>> Industrial) Revolution happened then, enabling Europe to
> vastly increase
>> its population, for example.
>
> True. Another factor was that the term didn't seem appropriate
> to the High Middle Ages anyway.
We're still talkin' a serious dearth of independent intellectual analysis
from the time here, are we not?
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Author: GeneGene Date: May 14, 2008 13:57
mimus hotmail.com> wrote in
news:lpednagpy9kK2rbVnZ2dnUVZ_h_inZ2d@giganews.com:
>> True. Another factor was that the term didn't seem
appropriate
>> to the High Middle Ages anyway.
>
> We're still talkin' a serious dearth of independent
intellectual analysis
> from the time here, are we not?
Europe in the High Middle Ages was one of the world's great
civilizations. Kerala, in India, was way ahead in science, and
the Islamic world comparable in terms of philosophy. In China,
notable technological advances were made in the Tang and Song
dynasties-gunpowder, the compass, movable type, machinery for
textile manufacture, and so forth. (However, Tang was invented
later.) But in Europe, there was a terrific development in
music, literature, architecture and so on, rendering it quite
notable in its own way.
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Author: Matthias WarkusMatthias Warkus Date: May 14, 2008 15:51
mimus schrieb:
> On Wed, 14 May 2008 18:10:47 +0000, Gene wrote:
>
>> Matthias Warkus wrote in
>> news:g0eg2i$13ku$2@news.nnrp.de:
>>
>>>> So what does this revisionism about the seemingly well-
>> merited title "the
>>>> Dark Ages" amount to, exactly?
>>> OFCS just read up. Something called the Mediaeval
>> Agricultural (and
>>> Industrial) Revolution happened then, enabling Europe to
>> vastly increase
>>> its population, for example.
>> True. Another factor was that the term didn't seem appropriate
>> to the High Middle Ages anyway.
>
> We're still talkin' a serious dearth of independent intellectual analysis
> from the time here, are we not?
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Author: Wayne ThroopWayne Throop Date: May 14, 2008 16:09
: Matthias Warkus
: What most people call Aristotelicism, for example, is Aristoteles
: filtered through a dozen generations of scholastics, which did some
: pretty innovative stuff.
"Most people"? Hm. Mileage may vary.
Results 1 - 10 of about 2 for Aristotelicism.
Did you mean: Aristotelianism
Results 1 - 10 of about 135,000 for Aristotelianism [definition].
Results 1 - 10 of about 4,410,000 for aristoteles.
Results 1 - 10 of about 9,050,000 for aristotle [definition].
Wayne Throop throopw@sheol.org http://sheol.org/throopw
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Author: Robert A. WoodwardRobert A. Woodward Date: May 14, 2008 22:28
In article giganews.com>,
mimus hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 14 May 2008 00:54:37 +0200, Jasper Janssen wrote:
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>> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 04:28:40 GMT, "Christopher Adams"
>> wrote:
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>>>PROTIP: Only people who...
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Author: William HydeWilliam Hyde Date: May 15, 2008 09:31
On May 15, 1:28 am, "Robert A. Woodward" drizzle.com> wrote:> In article giganews.com>,
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> mimus hotmail.com> wrote:>> On Wed, 14 May 2008 00:54:37 +0200, Jasper Janssen wrote:
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>>> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 04:28:40 GMT, "Christopher Adams"
>>> wrote:
>
>>>>PROTIP: Only people who haven't studied history in the last couple of
>>>>decades still think of them as "the Dark Ages".
>
>>> They're still the Dark Ages, that's just what they're called. It just
>>> doesn't mean any longer that nothing ahppened during them and we reverted
>>> to cavemen for the duration.
>
>> No, but it was probably worse . . . .
> ...
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Author: mimusmimus Date: May 15, 2008 12:22
On Wed, 14 May 2008 20:57:07 +0000, Gene wrote:
> mimus hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:lpednagpy9kK2rbVnZ2dnUVZ_h_inZ2d@giganews.com:
> >>> True. Another factor was that the term didn't seem
>>> appropriate to the High Middle Ages anyway...
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