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Author: galathaea
Date: Oct 27, 2007 01:11

On Oct 26, 5:19 pm, Angus Rodgers bigfoot.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:30:47 -0700,
>
> s...@btinternet.com wrote:
>>But simply writing "there exists" raises all kinds of ambiguities
>>which the authors may have been trying to avoid. To constructivists,
>>"there exists" means "we have constructed it" or at least "we can show
>>how to construct it"; to non-constructivists it could mean much more.
>>So they may have felt it better not to use the phrase at all.
>
> I'm almost sure you're right, and this does shed some light
> on why they chose the wording they did. But I still have a
> tremendous problem in understanding the meaning of what they
> wrote; and I also have a tremendous problem in understanding
> what problem they have with the meaning of "there exists".
> (Still, this is progress, I suppose!)
>
> Certainly, they can't for one moment imagine that "it exists"
> is synonymous with "we have constructed it" in /all/ contexts
> (if only because it is still massively unclear who "we" are ...
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Re: sense, existence, knowledge         


Author: Michael Gordge
Date: Oct 27, 2007 01:19

On Oct 27, 5:11 pm, galathaea gmail.com> wrote:

arbitrarily

"sense, existence, knowledge"

Whereas in reality there has to be something to sense AND identified.

Therefore

Existence, sense, non-contradictory identification, knowledge.

Michael Gordge
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Re: sense, existence, knowledge         


Author: Don Stockbauer
Date: Oct 27, 2007 04:04

On Oct 27, 3:19 am, Michael Gordge xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> On Oct 27, 5:11 pm, galathaea gmail.com> wrote:
>
> arbitrarily
>
> "sense, existence, knowledge"
>
> Whereas in reality there has to be something to sense AND identified.
>
> Therefore
>
> Existence, sense, non-contradictory identification, knowledge.
>
> Michael Gordge

And the beat goes on.

And the beat goes on.

Drums keep a poundin' rhythm to the brain.....
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Re: sense, existence, knowledge         


Author: Michael Gordge
Date: Oct 27, 2007 05:34

On Oct 27, 8:04 pm, Don Stockbauer hotmail.com> wrote:
> Drums keep a poundin' rhythm to the brain.....

You Kantians should try it, e.g. let your ear drums pound BEFORE you
claim knowledge of noise, that way the mystical Kantian god like
voices inside your heads will eventually go away.

MG
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Re: sense, existence, knowledge         


Author: ZerkonX
Date: Oct 27, 2007 05:53

On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 01:11:50 -0700, galathaea wrote:
> if all truths are truths always
> what does possibility even mean?

Wow.

Truths imply the possibility of falsehood which itself implies a judgment,
evaluation or finding on one thing or another.

If you revamp this to: "If all existence is truth always", it relieves the
close ended burden of judgment made upon any one selection and opens
infinite possibilities of discovery of all things.
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Re: sense, existence, knowledge         


Author: Timothy Golden BandTechnology.com
Date: Oct 27, 2007 06:28

On Oct 27, 4:11 am, galathaea gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 26, 5:19 pm, Angus Rodgers bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:30:47 -0700,
>
>> s...@btinternet.com wrote:

In the process of constructing we are forced to grant properties.
This grant deserves scrutiny.
If it is overly complicated then we might seek a simpler grant which
will beget similar consequences.
We are ultimately concerned with consequences.

The correspondence principle of quantum mechanics may be taken as
general in this regard and extended to any construction.

The grants form a basis.
So long as the consequences we seek are in terms of reality then we
are seeking reality's basis.
If one chooses to focus on a single branch of mathematics I think
these same concepts apply but in narrowed form.
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Re: sense, existence, knowledge         


Author: Angus Rodgers
Date: Oct 27, 2007 08:13

[Far-flung cross-posting maintained, with misgivings.]

On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 01:11:50 -0700, galathaea
gmail.com> wrote:

[a lot, which I've read]

I'm still struggling to understand this difficult text you've
presented me with. I have read it slowly and carefully, and
re-read it, but I still don't know if I can come up with any
worthwhile response.

(I feel rather as if I had stumbled across something written
by Lacan or Heidegger, which looks as if it might be about
something of great personal interest to me, even something
very familiar, but still seems hopelessly hard to decipher,
so that I feel like a complete idiot and ignoramus.)

Meanwhile, in the course of my struggles, I find myself wanting
to know the answer to another naive question, which is only
quite loosely related to my first question, so I hope you won't
take it amiss if I just go ahead and ask it.
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Re: sense, existence, knowledge         


Author: brian fletcher
Date: Oct 27, 2007 08:20

"Michael Gordge" xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:1193488454.068426.199610@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 27, 8:04 pm, Don Stockbauer hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Drums keep a poundin' rhythm to the brain.....
>
> You Kantians should try it, e.g. let your ear drums pound BEFORE you
> claim knowledge of noise, that way the mystical Kantian god like
> voices inside your heads will eventually go away.
>
>
> MG
>

Not go away, but identified for what it is.

BOfL
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Re: sense, existence, knowledge         


Author: brian fletcher
Date: Oct 27, 2007 08:21

"ZerkonX" zerkonx.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.10.27.12.53.46.860946@zerkonx.net...
> On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 01:11:50 -0700, galathaea wrote:
>
>> if all truths are truths always
>> what does possibility even mean?
>
> Wow.
>
> Truths imply the possibility of falsehood which itself implies a judgment,
> evaluation or finding on one thing or another.
>
> If you revamp this to: "If all existence is truth always", it relieves the
> close ended burden of judgment made upon any one selection and opens
> infinite possibilities of discovery of all things.
>

Discovery followed by creativity.

BOfL
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Re: sense, existence, knowledge         


Author: Androcles
Date: Oct 27, 2007 08:25

"Angus Rodgers" bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:5qh6i3t5gvctdh2k295p8r4j2rh7cgu239@4ax.com...
: [Far-flung cross-posting maintained, with misgivings.]
:
: On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 01:11:50 -0700, galathaea
: gmail.com> wrote:
:
: [a lot, which I've read]
:
: I'm still struggling to understand this difficult text you've
: presented me with. I have read it slowly and carefully, and
: re-read it, but I still don't know if I can come up with any
: worthwhile response.
:
: (I feel rather as if I had stumbled across something written
: by Lacan or Heidegger, which looks as if it might be about
: something of great personal interest to me, even something
: very familiar, but still seems hopelessly hard to decipher,
: so that I feel like a complete idiot and ignoramus.)
: ...
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