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seeing beyond the God delusion         


Author: brian fletcher
Date: Aug 17, 2007 02:40

So may people make a connection between the "supernatural" and religion.
There is no validity to such connections, but as a consequence , those who
can see the limits of "religiosity" , seem to be reluctant to look into such
realms, because of such association.

Even if one discovers "life everlasting" (the ultimate find around which all
other searches are centred), why should "God" feature, anymore than in the
experience of seeing a child born.

I'm suggesting not to throw the baby out with the bath water.

BOfL
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Re: seeing beyond the God delusion         


Author: Michael Gordge
Date: Aug 17, 2007 03:28

On Aug 17, 6:40 pm, "brian fletcher" bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
> Even if one discovers "life everlasting"

Then death could have no meaning, therefore neither can life, "life
everlasting" destroys itself Brian.

Just as the Kantian claim of the uncertainty of everything
automatically must by default destroy the meaning of certainty,
therefore neither can uncertainty have any meaning, therefore
uncertainty destroys itself, but dont tell the Kantians, its the stuff
that keeps their fucking nightmare going.

Oh and as for supernatural not being in the same camp as the mystical
god crap, dont be silly, of course it is.

Michael Gordge
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Re: seeing beyond the God delusion         


Author: Daniel T.
Date: Aug 17, 2007 05:29

"brian fletcher" bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> So may people make a connection between the "supernatural" and
> religion. There is no validity to such connections, but as a
> consequence , those who can see the limits of "religiosity" , seem
> to be reluctant to look into such realms, because of such
> association.

I can't accept the above. It seems to me that religion, at its very
core, is the "unseen cause". Religion and the supernatural are
inexorably intwined.
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Re: seeing beyond the God delusion         


Author: Don Stockbauer
Date: Aug 17, 2007 05:44

God and the Universe are identical concepts.
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Re: seeing beyond the God delusion         


Date: Aug 17, 2007 06:36

Don Stockbauer wrote:
> God and the Universe are identical concepts.

Not according to the Roman Catholic dogma. See A.A. Augustine as the
source of authority on that matter.
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Re: seeing beyond the God delusion         


Author: chazwin
Date: Aug 17, 2007 07:02

On Aug 17, 10:40 am, "brian fletcher" bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> So may people make a connection between the "supernatural" and religion.
> There is no validity to such connections, but as a consequence , those who
> can see the limits of "religiosity" , seem to be reluctant to look into such
> realms, because of such association.
>
> Even if one discovers "life everlasting" (the ultimate find around which all
> other searches are centred), why should "God" feature, anymore than in the
> experience of seeing a child born.
>
> I'm suggesting not to throw the baby out with the bath water.
>
> BOfL

All religions make supernatural claims. I am willing to listen if you
think that statement is wrong.
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Re: seeing beyond the God delusion         


Author: chazwin
Date: Aug 17, 2007 07:03

On Aug 17, 1:44 pm, Don Stockbauer hotmail.com> wrote:
> God and the Universe are identical concepts.

Duh!
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Re: seeing beyond the God delusion         


Author: Daniel T.
Date: Aug 17, 2007 07:50

Don Stockbauer hotmail.com> wrote:
> God and the Universe are identical concepts.

In your view that may very well be true. Generally though, "God" assumes
intelligence while "the Universe" is mindless.
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Re: seeing beyond the God delusion         


Author: Mike E. Fullerton
Date: Aug 17, 2007 22:12

Daniel T. wrote:
> Don Stockbauer hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> God and the Universe are identical concepts.
>
> In your view that may very well be true. Generally though, "God" assumes
> intelligence while "the Universe" is mindless.

So you are saying intelligence magically arises at a certain point in
evolution? How is it possible for something to arise out of thin air? It
makes more logical sense to me to assume the building blocks of
everything, energy, also has intelligence. The more energy you have
bound up into more and more complex systems, the more intelligence you
have. Then the Universe, as an exceedingly complex system, could very
well be intelligent.

--
Skeptopathy (pathological skepticism)
the unscientific belief that unusual phenomena are bunk.
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Re: seeing beyond the God delusion         


Author: brian fletcher
Date: Aug 17, 2007 23:10

"Michael Gordge" xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:1187346537.911171.176570@g12g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 17, 6:40 pm, "brian fletcher" bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
>>
>> Even if one discovers "life everlasting"
>
> Then death could have no meaning, therefore neither can life, "life
> everlasting" destroys itself Brian.

The first part is correct. The second is the utterings of someone who simply
hasnt resolved the first part.
>
> Just as the Kantian claim of the uncertainty of everything
> automatically must by default destroy the meaning of certainty,
> therefore neither can uncertainty have any meaning, therefore
> uncertainty destroys itself, but dont tell the Kantians, its the stuff
> that keeps their fucking nightmare going.
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