On Jul 18, 4:23Â pm, strabo
flashlight.net> wrote:> Michael Price wrote:
>> On Jul 17, 1:30 am, CanopyCo
aol.com> wrote:>>> On Jul 15, 10:14 pm, Michael Price
yahoo.com> wrote:>
>>>> On Jul 13, 2:15 am, Bret Cahill
aol.com> wrote:>>>>> The individual - nation analogue is used by the top political
>>>>> scientists including Alexis DeTocqueville, whose brilliance is
>>>>> unquestioned.
>>>>> Bret Cahill
>>>> Â The individual is not a nation and the nation is not
>>>> an individual. Â The second amendment refers to individuals
>>>> not nations. Â Why would a government bother to give itself
>>>> the right to be armed? Â Of course you'll never admit that you
>>>> might be wrong on this or anything else.
>>> Nations are made up of individuals, therefore a group of individuals
>>> is a nation.
>
>> Â So therefore me and my sister are a nation. Â In fact a "nation" does
>> not exist, only governments do. Â The government is certainly not the
>> individuals it supposedly represents, otherwise how could the
>> government punish individuals without punishing itself, which it never does?
>
> Â >
>
> A *nation* (derived from 'native' or naturally born), is defined as a
> people with a common language, traditions and values, and borders.
Then it is not defined because there is no value common to all
members
of a nation, nor any tradition common to all members of the nation and
arguably (I'm no linguist) no language common to all members of the
nation. But it's OK, I speak Jive.
> This comprises the dominant culture.
>
> A threat to any one of these three criteria is a direct threat to the
> survival of the culture. A threat to culture is an indirect threat to
> individual survival.
So let me get this straight, the chance that there won't be
Opera or Morris dancing is a threat to individual survival? I can
see how people might be alarmed at the prospect of an Opera
absence leading to their deaths but for myself I'd risk death to
eliminate Morris dancing.
>
> A government may or may not accurately reflect the culture.
Which has zero to do with the rediculous claim that the government
is the people. If the government were the people then all qualities
of the government would be the same as the qualities of the people.
Therefore the quality of whether they know what the government is
doing would be the same for both the government and the people,
and it's not.
> When it does not, a revolution is to be expected.
>
>
>>> Exactly how are you going to disarm a nation without first disarming
>>> all individuals?
>
>> Â I am not suggesting disarming the nation, I am merely pointing out
>> that the second amendment gives no rights to government, nor does
>> any other part of the US constitution.
>
> Correct.
>
> 1. Governments have power, not Rights.
>
> 2. The Constitution is obligated to protect the enumerated Rights
> Â Â found within the Constitution.
>
>>> As to the second amendment, it was entered into our constitution
>>> because it was considered a "God given" right. One that is the right
>>> of everyone. Like the pursuit of happiness. Everyone has the right to
>>> try and have a tolerable life instead of hating life every day.
>
>>> Therefore, regardless of if it was an American or any other nation,
>>> the individuals in each of them also have the same "God given" rights
>>> as we do. Not because they are given to us by law, but because they
>>> are inherited by us as civilized humans.
>
>>> The right to defend ourselves.
>>> The right to be left alone.
>>> The right to think what we want.
>>> The right to warship what ever we want.
>>> The right to leave a place we don't like being in.
>
>>> Stuff like that.
>
>>> Otherwise, it is not a right, it is a privilege granted you by your
>>> government.
>
>> Â Well yes, but that doesn't mean that the GOVERNMENT has a right to
>> nukes. It doesn't
>> mean the government has a right to a sawn-off shotgun.
>
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