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Seattle Times Obama supporitng Editorialist: 'Hitler's Demands Were Not Unreasonable         


Author: FACE
Date: May 16, 2008 16:02

With a good bit of talk recently about hitler liberals and leftists, this
looked to be of interest.........

" Seattle Times Editor: 'Hitler's Demands Were Not Unreasonable'

Fri, May 16, 2008 at 1:14:14 pm PST

Seattle Times editorial writer Bruce Ramsey, in an effort to defend Barack
Obama against President Bush’s “appeasement” speech, actually ends up
defending Nazi Germany, Adolf Hitler, and the Anschluss (the annexation of
Austria): Bush, and His Use of ‘Appeasement’. "

http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/edcetera/2008/05/bush_and_his_use_of_appeasemen...
May 16, 2008 8:52 AM
Bush, and His Use of "Appeasement"

Posted by Bruce Ramsey

Democrats are rebuking President Bush for saying in his speech to the
Knesset, here, that to “negotiate with terrorists and radicals” is
“appeasement.” The Democrats took it as a slap at Barack Obama. What bothers
me is the continual reference to Hitler and his National Socialists,
particularly the British and French accommodation at the Munich Conference
of 1938.
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Re: Seattle Times Obama supporitng Editorialist: 'Hitler's Demands Were Not Unreasonable         


Author: Ariadne
Date: May 16, 2008 16:32

On May 17, 12:02 am, FACE today.net> wrote:
> With a good bit of talk recently about hitler liberals and leftists, this
> looked to be of interest.........
>
> " Seattle Times Editor: 'Hitler's Demands Were Not Unreasonable'
>
> Fri, May 16, 2008 at 1:14:14 pm PST
>
> Seattle Times editorial writer Bruce Ramsey, in an effort to defend Barack
> Obama against President Bush’s “appeasement” speech, actually ends up
> defending Nazi Germany, Adolf Hitler, and the Anschluss (the annexation of
> Austria): Bush, and His Use of ‘Appeasement’. "
>
> http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/edcetera/2008/05/bush_and_his_u...
> May 16, 2008 8:52 AM
> Bush, and His Use of "Appeasement"
>
> Posted by Bruce Ramsey
>
> Democrats are rebuking President Bush for saying in his speech to the ...
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Re: Seattle Times Obama supporting Editorialist: 'Hitler's Demands Were Not Unreasonable'         


Author: FACE
Date: May 16, 2008 16:56

From Ariadne gmail.com>,
on Fri, 16 May 2008 16:32:30 -0700 (PDT)
>On May 17, 12:02 am, FACE today.net> wrote:
>> With a good bit of talk recently about hitler, liberals and leftists, this
>> looked to be of interest.........
>>
>> " Seattle Times Editor: 'Hitler's Demands Were Not Unreasonable'
>>
>> Fri, May 16, 2008 at 1:14:14 pm PST
>>
>> Seattle Times editorial writer Bruce Ramsey, in an effort to defend Barack
>> Obama against President Bush’s “appeasement” speech, actually ends up
>> defending Nazi Germany, Adolf Hitler, and the Anschluss (the annexation of
>> Austria): Bush, and His Use of ‘Appeasement’. "
>>
>> http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/edcetera/2008/05/bush_and_his_u...
>> May 16, 2008 8:52 AM
>> Bush, and His Use of "Appeasement"
>>
>> Posted by Bruce Ramsey ...
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Re: Seattle Times Obama supporitng Editorialist: 'Hitler's Demands Were Not Unreasonable         


Author: Robert S
Date: May 16, 2008 17:53

On 17 May, 00:02, FACE today.net> wrote:
> What Hitler was demanding was not unreasonable. He wanted the
> German-speaking areas of Europe under German authority. He had just annexed
> Austria, which was German-speaking, without bloodshed. There were two more
> small pieces of Germanic territory: the free city of Danzig and the
> Sudetenland, a border area of what is now the Czech Republic.
>
> We live in an era when you do not change national borders for these sorts of
> reasons. But in 1938 it was different. Germany’s eastern and western borders
> had been redrawn 19 years before—and not to its benefit. In the democracies
> there was some sense of guilt with how Germany had been treated after World
> War I. Certainly there was a memory of the “Great War.” In 2008, we have
> entirely forgotten World War I, and how utterly unlike any conception of
> “The Good War” it was. When the British let Hitler have a slice of
> Czechoslovakia, they were following their historical wisdom: avoid war. War
> produces results far more horrible than you expected. War is a bad
> investment. It is not glorious. Don’t give anyone an excuse to start one.
>
> In a few months, in early 1939, Hitler ordered the invasion of what is now
> the Czech Republic—that is, territory that was not German. Then it was ...
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Re: Seattle Times Obama supporitng Editorialist: 'Hitler's Demands Were Not Unreasonable         


Author: Harold Burton
Date: May 16, 2008 18:02

In article
m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
Robert S gmail.com> wrote:
> On 17 May, 00:02, FACE today.net> wrote:
>> What Hitler was demanding was not unreasonable. He wanted the
>> German-speaking areas of Europe under German authority. He had just annexed
>> Austria, which was German-speaking, without bloodshed. There were two more
>> small pieces of Germanic territory: the free city of Danzig and the
>> Sudetenland, a border area of what is now the Czech Republic.
>>
>> We live in an era when you do not change national borders for these sorts of
>> reasons. But in 1938 it was different. Germany
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Re: Seattle Times Obama supporitng Editorialist: 'Hitler's Demands Were Not Unreasonable         


Author: FACE
Date: May 16, 2008 18:16

From Robert S gmail.com>,
on Fri, 16 May 2008 17:53:31 -0700 (PDT)
>On 17 May, 00:02, FACE today.net> wrote:
>> What Hitler was demanding was not unreasonable. He wanted the
>> German-speaking areas of Europe under German authority. He had just annexed
>> Austria, which was German-speaking, without bloodshed. There were two more
>> small pieces of Germanic territory: the free city of Danzig and the
>> Sudetenland, a border area of what is now the Czech Republic.
>>
>> We live in an era when you do not change national borders for these sorts of
>> reasons. But in 1938 it was different. Germany’s eastern and western borders
>> had been redrawn 19 years before—and not to its benefit. In the democracies
>> there was some sense of guilt with how Germany had been treated after World
>> War I. Certainly there was a memory of the “Great War.” In 2008, we have
>> entirely forgotten World War I, and how utterly unlike any conception of
>> “The Good War” it was. When the British let Hitler have a slice of
>> Czechoslovakia, they were following their historical wisdom: avoid war. War
>> produces results far more horrible than you expected. War is a bad
>> investment. It is not glorious. Don’t give anyone an excuse to start one.
>> ...
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Re: Seattle Times Obama supporitng Editorialist: 'Hitler's Demands Were Not Unreasonable         


Author: Ariadne
Date: May 16, 2008 18:18

On May 17, 2:16 am, FACE today.net> wrote:
> From  Robert S gmail.com>,  
>  on Fri, 16 May 2008 17:53:31 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>
>>On 17 May, 00:02, FACE today.net> wrote:
>>> What Hitler was demanding was not unreasonable. He wanted the
>>> German-speaking areas of Europe under German authority. He had just annexed
>>> Austria, which was German-speaking, without bloodshed. There were two more
>>> small pieces of Germanic territory: the free city of Danzig and the
>>> Sudetenland, a border area of what is now the Czech Republic.
>
>>> We live in an era when you do not change national borders for these sorts of
>>> reasons. But in 1938 it was different. Germany’s eastern and western borders
>>> had been redrawn 19 years before—and not to its benefit. In the democracies
>>> there was some sense of guilt with how Germany had been treated after World
>>> War I. Certainly there was a memory of the “Great War.” In 2008, we have
>>> entirely forgotten World War I, and how utterly unlike any conception of
>>> “The Good War” it was. When the British let Hitler have a slice of ...
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Re: Seattle Times Obama supporitng Editorialist: 'Hitler's Demands Were Not Unreasonable         


Author: abelard
Date: May 16, 2008 18:29

On Fri, 16 May 2008 18:18:43 -0700 (PDT), Ariadne
gmail.com> wrote:
>On May 17, 2:16 am, FACE today.net> wrote:
>> From  Robert S gmail.com>,  
>>  on Fri, 16 May 2008 17:53:31 -0700 (PDT)
>>
>>
>>
>>>On 17 May, 00:02, FACE
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Re: Seattle Times Obama supporitng Editorialist: 'Hitler's Demands Were Not Unreasonable         


Author: Immortalist
Date: May 16, 2008 19:32

On May 16, 4:02 pm, FACE today.net> wrote:
> With a good bit of talk recently about hitler liberals and leftists, this
> looked to be of interest.........
>
> " Seattle Times Editor: 'Hitler's Demands Were Not Unreasonable'
>
> Fri, May 16, 2008 at 1:14:14 pm PST
>
> Seattle Times editorial writer Bruce Ramsey, in an effort to defend Barack
> Obama against President Bush’s “appeasement” speech, actually ends up
> defending Nazi Germany, Adolf Hitler, and the Anschluss (the annexation of
> Austria): Bush, and His Use of ‘Appeasement’. "
>
> http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/edcetera/2008/05/bush_and_his_u...
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Re: Seattle Times Obama supporitng Editorialist: 'Hitler's Demands Were Not Unreasonable         


Author: Robert S
Date: May 17, 2008 02:00

On May 17, 2:02 am, Harold Burton hotmail.com> wrote:
> In article
> m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
>
>>> In a few months, in early 1939, Hitler ordered the invasion of what is now
>>> the Czech Republic‹that is, territory that was not German. Then it was
>>> obvious that a deal with him was worthless. And so when Bush recalls the
>>> unnamed senator who, in September 1939, lamented that he had not been able
>>> to talk to Hitler, he hits an easy target. But the moment of September 1939
>>> is nothing like today.
>
>>> In September 1939, when Germany started the war, it had no just claim to any
>>> more territory.
>
>> It had a just claim to the Polish Corridor,
>
> hardly.  The inhabitants of the Corridor were mostly Polish...
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