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Author: Hamady
Date: Sep 4, 2008 20:31

"The explosive vigour of the universe is thus matched with almost
unbelievable accuracy to its gravitating power. The big bang was not
evidently, any old bang, but an explosion of exquisitely arranged
magnitude."
Paul Davies, Superforce: The Search for a Grand Unified Theory of
Nature, 1984, p. 184

“If the rate of expansion one second after the big bang had been
smaller by even one part in a hundred thousand million million, the
universe would have recollapsed before it ever reached its present
size.â€

Stephen Hawking, A Brief History Of Time, Bantam Press, London: 1988,
p. 121-125

"…Something else has to be behind things, somehow guiding them. And
that, one might say, is a kind of mathematical proof of divinity."
Guy Marchie, American Science Writer
Guy Murchie, The Seven Mysteries of Life, Boston: The Houghton Mifflin
Company, 1978, p. 598
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Author: zinnic
Date: Sep 4, 2008 21:26

On Sep 4, 10:31 pm, Hamady gmail.com> wrote:
> "The explosive vigour of the universe is thus matched with almost
> unbelievable accuracy to its gravitating power. The big bang was not
> evidently, any old bang, but an explosion of exquisitely arranged
> magnitude."
> Paul Davies, Superforce: The Search for a Grand Unified Theory of
> Nature, 1984, p. 184
>
> “If the rate of expansion one second after the big bang had been
> smaller by even one part in a hundred thousand million million, the
> universe would have recollapsed before it ever reached its present
> size.â€
>
> Stephen Hawking, A Brief History Of Time, Bantam Press, London: 1988,
> p. 121-125
>
> "…Something else has to be behind things, somehow guiding them. And
> that, one might say, is a kind of mathematical proof of divinity."
> Guy Marchie, American Science Writer
> Guy Murchie, The Seven Mysteries of Life, Boston: The Houghton Mifflin ...
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Author: turtoni
Date: Sep 4, 2008 21:30

On Sep 4, 11:31 pm, Hamady gmail.com> wrote:
> "The explosive vigour of the universe is thus matched with almost
> unbelievable accuracy to its gravitating power. The big bang was not
> evidently, any old bang, but an explosion of exquisitely arranged
> magnitude."
> Paul Davies, Superforce: The Search for a Grand Unified Theory of
> Nature, 1984, p. 184
>
> “If the rate of expansion one second after the big bang had been
> smaller by even one part in a hundred thousand million million, the
> universe would have recollapsed before it ever reached its present
> size.â€
>
> Stephen Hawking, A Brief History Of Time, Bantam Press, London: 1988,
> p. 121-125
>
> "…Something else has to be behind things, somehow guiding them. And
> that, one might say, is a kind of mathematical proof of divinity."
> Guy Marchie, American Science Writer
> Guy Murchie, The Seven Mysteries of Life, Boston: The Houghton Mifflin ...
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Author: ZerkonX
Date: Sep 5, 2008 04:59

On Thu, 04 Sep 2008 20:31:11 -0700, Hamady wrote:
> "In its standard form, the big bang theory

is part of sequential causal reasoning from which there can be no other
point of arrival other than primary cause, a prime mover, a super-
something that began it all. There must be a beginning, after all.

What if this reasoning is in error and a limitation that serves only
immediate human utility? Absolute causes (a beginning, a cause, laws
of...) are a human necessity. Very likely, little else.

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Author: John J
Date: Sep 5, 2008 05:26

If it were not for the astounding and highly unlikely precision of a
primitive firearm using low-tech ammunition in the hands of an ordinary
man, JFK would be alive. It is that unlikely that all of the
requirements came together so perfectly that one can only believe JFK is
dead due to a supernatural power.

Same thing as this cosmic crap, no?

OTOH, it is much more mentally pleasing to imagine that the universe was
made for our own existence. All that stuff! For US! Why?
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Author: T-minus108
Date: Sep 5, 2008 19:14

On Sep 5, 8:26 am, John J wrote:
> OTOH, it is much more mentally pleasing to imagine that the universe was
> made for our own existence. All that stuff! For US! Why?

To give us purpose. There may be no real meaning to life unless
there's a will to live. The only reason I want to live is to
experience life and know more than I do now.

Is that not purpose enough?

Why do people feel (and I'm not saying you in particular) there is
going to be someone that comes along and tells us WHY we're here? IMHO
The ONLY reason we're here is to live and to know.
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Author: bigfletch8
Date: Sep 5, 2008 20:51

On Sep 5, 1:31 pm, Hamady gmail.com> wrote:
> "The explosive vigour of the universe is thus matched with almost
> unbelievable accuracy to its gravitating power. The big bang was not
> evidently, any old bang, but an explosion of exquisitely arranged
> magnitude."
> Paul Davies, Superforce: The Search for a Grand Unified Theory of
> Nature, 1984, p. 184
>
> “If the rate of expansion one second after the big bang had been
> smaller by even one part in a hundred thousand million million, the
> universe would have recollapsed before it ever reached its present
> size.â€
>
> Stephen Hawking, A Brief History Of Time, Bantam Press, London: 1988,
> p. 121-125
>
> "…Something else has to be behind things, somehow guiding them. And
> that, one might say, is a kind of mathematical proof of divinity."
> Guy Marchie, American Science Writer
> Guy Murchie, The Seven Mysteries of Life, Boston: The Houghton Mifflin ...
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Author: bigfletch8
Date: Sep 5, 2008 20:57

On Sep 5, 2:26 pm, zinnic gate.net> wrote:
> On Sep 4, 10:31 pm, Hamady gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>> "The explosive vigour of the universe is thus matched with almost
>> unbelievable accuracy to its gravitating power. The big bang was not
>> evidently, any old bang, but an explosion of exquisitely arranged
>> magnitude."
>> Paul Davies, Superforce: The Search for a Grand Unified Theory of
>> Nature, 1984, p. 184
>
>> “If the rate of expansion one second after the big bang had been
>> smaller by even one part in a hundred thousand million million, the
>> universe would have recollapsed before it ever reached its present
>> size.â€
>
>> Stephen Hawking, A Brief History Of Time, Bantam Press, London: 1988, ...
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Author: bigfletch8
Date: Sep 5, 2008 21:14

On Sep 5, 2:30 pm, turtoni fastmail.net> wrote:
> On Sep 4, 11:31 pm, Hamady gmail.com> wrote:
> ...to fill the Earth and subdue it.
>
>  One should not search for the meaning of life
> The answer to the meaning of life is too profound to be known and
> understood.

The ultimate arrogance. "If I dont grasp it, it is not graspable".

No wonder the likes of Socrates just smiled and walked away. Of
course, he knew the journey,and recognised how people react at
different stages of that journey. Such arrogance being the last
bastion of a grip on what you think you know.
> You will never live if you are looking for the meaning of life.

I think your definition of life is emotively based
> The meaning of life is to forget about the search for the meaning of
> life.
> One should live the life given to you instead.

Given by whom.? Even your attempts at pacifying evoke deeper
questions.
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Author: bigfletch8
Date: Sep 5, 2008 21:20

On Sep 5, 9:59 pm, ZerkonX X.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Sep 2008 20:31:11 -0700, Hamady wrote:
>> "In its standard form, the big bang theory
>
> is part of sequential causal reasoning from which there can be no other
> point of arrival other than primary cause, a prime mover, a super-
> something that began it all. There must be a beginning, after all.
>
> What if this reasoning is in error and a limitation that serves only
> immediate human utility?  Absolute causes (a beginning, a cause, laws
> of...) are a human necessity. Very likely, little else.

Why must there be a beginning? Because that is our daily reference
point, we project it.

A universe breathing in and out has been suggested in some ancient
scripts. Our cosmologists have get as far as the breathing out
part..bless 'em.:-)
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