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Author: socratus
Date: Aug 19, 2008 06:53

On Aug 19, 4:27 pm, Art zilch.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:21:31 -0700 (PDT), turtoni
>
> fastmail.net> wrote:
>>"The true nature and origin of consciousness and the mind itself are
>>also widely debated in science,
>
> Here's a amused engineer describing his out of body experience :)
> Http://pho.se/4w7
>
> People such as this fellow are no doubt convinced through personal
> experience that their OOBEs aren't just dreams or hallucinations ...
> and that mind/consiousness are or can be independent of the
> brain. I chuckled when this guy mentioned having the presence of
> mind to "download" his memories of his OOBE to his brain (as he put
> it) before he fully awakened and forgot his experiences.
>
> It would be very interesting if groups of trained scientists and
> engineers formed with the purpose of first learning how to go
> OOB and remember their experiences ... and compare notes
> with the idea of exploring the phenomenen in as much detail
> as possible. For example, this guy mentioned "hearing" the
> sound of some electrical transmission wires (I think it was)
> and he tried to describe what he heard. Then there was the
> amusing info he received that it would take a couple of weeks
> before he had 360 degree vision. Others have reported
> 360 degree vision during OOB. But then he was told he was
> a greenhorn at this sort of thing :) Anyway, such groups
> of people trained in physics would have a vocabulary and
> the discipline to be highly observant of various phenomena
> during the experiences, resulting in far more interesting
> (and entertaining :)) anecdotal evidence. They would be
> a new breed of "mind scientist/explorers" gathering
> observational data and information.
>
> Arthttp://home.ptd.net/~artnpeg
Brain: dualism of consciousness.
The theory and practice.'
======= ========
The highest mountains have high more then 8000m.
The deepest sea hollows have depth of 12000m.
The man reached the Moon.
But he cannot reach this depth of sea hollows.
It means, that is easier to reach external aim (success)
than to learn one’s internal essence.
=========== ================
Some psychologists compare our consciousness with iceberg.
The small visible part of this iceberg is our consciousness.
And the unseen (underwater) greater part of the iceberg is
our subconsciousness. Therefore they say, the man uses
only 10%% of possibility of his brain.
And if it so, why doesn’t anybody teach us how
to develop our subconsciousness.
I think it is because there are few people who understand
that the processes of subconsciousness are connected
with quantum processes. The subconsciousness theory
closely united with quantum theory.
These quantum processes which take place in lifeless
(inanimate) nature also take place in our brain.
Our brain can be the laboratory in which we can
test the truth of quantum theory.
===== ========
Dr. G. Sergeev (admiral of navy USSR)
in the beginning of 80 years in his article 'Liquid crystal' wrote
that the experiences of study the electrical power of a human brain
show that the brain of the man is capable to create effect
of superconductivity similar to electrical phenomena
in a lifeless nature.
/ It is reprinted from Israel magazine
"Tainovedenie" number 6. 1983
With the comment by A. Shifrin. /
These effects are:
1. Nonlinear dynamic process.
2. Vacuum process.
3. Superconductive process.
4. Holographic process.
5. etc.
========= ==== ====.
Our computer-brain works on a dualistic basis:
a) consciousness,
b) intuition (unconsciousness).
In a usual daily life all we do is done logically
( often under an influence of our feelings).
On the other hand, we (rarely) act intuitionally.
It means:
1) without the participation of the sense organs.
2) without the participation of the logic processes.
In this intuitional condition we act absolutely in a new way.
========== ===============
Sufism,s story.
One shah (sultan) sent his son to study Sufism.
In some years he finished his studies and returned home.
The shah wanted to check which mystic knowledge
the boy received. He hid his ring in his hand and
asked his son: 'What is hidden in my hand?'
The boy gained his thoughts concentrated and
said: 'It is something hard.....it is something round...'
'Yes. yes' shah was pleased.
And then the boy finished: 'It is a wheel of waggon'.
==== =====
Conclusion.
We make fun of somebody who cannot think logically,
but it is no funny when we lost our intuition.
Nobody teaches us how to develop our intuition.
It means that our education is not completed.
We must develop two kinds of consciousness.
The intuitive ability must be connected with logical ability.
=========== ===============.
There are many theories explaining the origin of consciousness.
Here some of them.
1)
"God" "blowing" "consciousness" "into man"
"whom he created from clay"
2)
20 billions years ago all matter (all elementary particles,
all quarks and their girlfriend antiquarks, all kinds of waves:
electromagnetic, gravitational, muons….) –
all was assembled in “singular point”.
Then there was a Big Bang .
Question: when was there consciousness?
a) Before explosion,
b) At the moment of explosion,
c) After the explosion.
It is more probable, that it existed after the explosion.
Then there is a question: what particles (or waves)
were carriers of consciousness?
Mesons, muons, leptons, bosons (W+, W- , Z) ,
quarks, …gluons field ….. ets …?
On this question the Big Bang theory does not give an answer.
But can it be that consciousness was formed as a result
of the interaction of all elementary particles, all waves, all
fields?
Then, on the one hand, the reason for the origin of the Big Bang is
clear:
everything was mixed, including consciousness, and when it is mixed
then it is possible to construct all and everything.
But on the other hand, it is not clear:
why farmer John can think simply, clearly and logically.
3) Ancient Indian Veda approve, that origination of consciousness
is connected with the existence of spiritual, conscious particles –
purusha .
4) Modern physics affirms that the Quantum of light
is a privileged particle as in one cases,
it behave as a particle, and in other case, acts in a way which
causes a wave.
How is a particle capable of creating a wave?
The behaviour of Light quanta (dualism ) is explained simply.
A quantum of light has its own initial consciousness.
This consciousness is not rigid, but develops.
The development of consciousness goes
“from vague wish up to a clear thought”.
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Best wishes.
Israel Sadovnik. / Socratus.
http://www.socratus.com
http://www.wbabin.net/
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