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Author: turtoniturtoni Date: Aug 18, 2008 22:21
"The true nature and origin of consciousness and the mind itself are
also widely debated in science, the explanatory gap is generally
equated with the hard problem of consciousness, and the question of
free will is also considered to be of fundamental importance. These
subjects are mostly addressed in the fields of cognitive science,
neuroscience and philosophy of mind, though some evolutionary
biologists and theoretical physicists have also made several allusions
to the subject.
Hieronymus Bosch's Ascent of the Blessed depicts a tunnel of light and
spiritual figures, often described in reports of near-death
experiences.Reductionistic and eliminative materialistic approaches,
for example the Multiple Drafts Model, hold that consciousness can be
wholly explained by neuroscience through the workings of the brain and
its neurons, thus adhering to biological naturalism.
On the other hand, some scientists, like Andrei Linde, have considered
that consciousness, like spacetime, might have its own intrinsic
degrees of freedom, and that our perceptions may be as real as (or
even more real than) material objects.
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Author: ZerkonXZerkonX Date: Aug 19, 2008 04:59
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:21:31 -0700, turtoni wrote:
> our perceptions may be as real as (or even more real than) material
> objects.
I am beginning to think now that the answer to this entire question is
simple. At least in illustration.
How is a painting, let's say, defined? A purely materialistic approach,
aka mind as computer, would be limited to the physical elements of that
painting and the response to those elements. Music the same way.
However, this is the exact antithesis of art's function which is to
invite affect apart from only the physical elements. Even this is not
limited to the original intent of the art work which can change over time
and be different among individuals during any same time.
This difference between the material of art and the meaning of that
material is the human being human. Art is an easy example because it is
so extremely human but all other human activities have this same element.
So I do not think this matter needs to be too caught up in 'cosmic' this
or that. It doesn't need to be so far flung.
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Author: ArtArt Date: Aug 19, 2008 06:27
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:21:31 -0700 (PDT), turtoni
fastmail.net> wrote:
>"The true nature and origin of consciousness and the mind itself are
>also widely debated in science,
Here's a amused engineer describing his out of body experience :)
Http://pho.se/4w7
People such as this fellow are no doubt convinced through personal
experience that their OOBEs aren't just dreams or hallucinations ...
and that mind/consiousness are or can be independent of the
brain. I chuckled when this guy mentioned having the presence of
mind to "download" his memories of his OOBE to his brain (as he put
it) before he fully awakened and forgot his experiences.
It would be very interesting if groups of trained scientists and
engineers formed with the purpose of first learning how to go
OOB and remember their experiences ... and compare notes
with the idea of...
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Author: socratussocratus Date: Aug 19, 2008 06:53
On Aug 19, 4:27 pm, Art zilch.com> wrote:> On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:21:31 -0700 (PDT), turtoni
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> fastmail.net> wrote:>>"The true nature and origin of consciousness and the mind itself are
>>also widely debated in science,
>
> Here's a amused engineer describing his out of body experience :)
> Http://pho.se/4w7
>
> People such as this fellow are no doubt convinced through personal
> experience that their OOBEs aren't just dreams or hallucinations ...
> and that mind/consiousness are or can be independent of the
> brain. I chuckled when this guy mentioned having the presence of
> mind to "download" his memories of his OOBE to his brain (as he put
> it) before he fully awakened and forgot his experiences.
>
> It would be very interesting if groups of trained scientists and
> engineers formed with the purpose of first learning how to go
> OOB and remember their experiences ... and compare notes ...
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Author: John JonesJohn Jones Date: Aug 19, 2008 11:31
turtoni wrote:
> "The true nature and origin of consciousness and the mind itself are
> also widely debated in science, the explanatory gap is generally
> equated with the hard problem of consciousness, and the question of
> free will is also considered to be of fundamental importance. These
> subjects are mostly addressed in the fields of cognitive science,
> neuroscience and philosophy of mind, though some evolutionary
> biologists and theoretical physicists have also made several allusions
> to the subject.
>
> Hieronymus Bosch's Ascent of the Blessed depicts a tunnel of light and
> spiritual figures, often described in reports of near-death
> experiences.Reductionistic and eliminative materialistic approaches,
> for example the Multiple Drafts Model, hold that consciousness can be
> wholly explained by neuroscience through the workings of the brain and
> its neurons, thus adhering to biological naturalism.
>
> On the other hand, some scientists, like Andrei Linde, have considered
> that consciousness, like spacetime, might have its own intrinsic
> degrees of freedom, and that our perceptions may be as real as (or ...
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