On Sep 19, 7:06 am, Eric Chomko
comcast.net> wrote:> On Sep 18, 10:51 pm, BradGuth
gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>> In article
i20g2000prf.googlegroups.com> BradGuth gmail.com> writes:>
>>>>>>>> On Sep 10, 8:12 pm, "jonathan"
write.instead.net> wrote:>>>>>>>>> God as the Emergent Process of Creation.
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>>>>>>>>> A pioneer of complexity science, Stuart A. Kauffman, M.D., is
>>>>>>>>> Chief Scientific Officer and Chairman of the Board, Bios Group Inc.
>>>>>>>>> Since 1985, he has served as a consultant to Los Alamos National
>>>>>>>>> Laboratory, and from 1986 to 1998 as Professor at the Santa Fe
>>>>>>>>> Institute. Major areas of research include Developmental Genetics,
>>>>>>>>> Theoretical Biology, Evolution, and the Origin of Life. He was
>>>>>>>>> awarded the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Fellowship
>>>>>>>>> and The Herbert A. Simon Award.
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>>>>>>>>> Beyond Reductionism: Reinventing the Sacred
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>>>>>>>>> Stuart Kauffman
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>>>>>>>>> Abstract
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>>>>>>>>> "We have lived under the hegemony of the reductionistic scientific worldview
>>>>>>>>> since Galileo, Newton, and Laplace. In this view, the universe is meaningless,
>>>>>>>>> as Stephen Weinberg famously said, and organisms and a court of law are "nothing
>>>>>>>>> but" particles in morion. This scientific view is inadequate. Physicists are
>>>>>>>>> beginning to abandon reductionism in favor of emergence. Emergence, both
>>>>>>>>> epistemological and ontological, embraces the emergence of life and of agency.
>>>>>>>>> With agency comes meaning, value, and doing, beyond mere happenings. More
>>>>>>>>> organisms are conscious. None of this violates any laws of physics, but it
>>>>>>>>> cannot be reduced to physics. Emergence is real, and the tiger chasing the
>>>>>>>>> gazelle are real parts of the real universe.
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>>>>>>>>> We live, therefore, in an emergent universe. This emergence often is entirely
>>>>>>>>> unpredictable beforehand, from the evolution of novel functionalities in
>>>>>>>>> organisms to the evolution of the economy and human history. We are surrounded
>>>>>>>>> on all sides by a creativity that cannot even be prestated. Thus we have the
>>>>>>>>> first glimmerings of a new scientific worldview, beyond reductionism. In our
>>>>>>>>> universe emergence is real, and there is ceaseless, stunning creativity that has
>>>>>>>>> given rise to our biosphere, our humanity, and our history. We are partial
>>>>>>>>> co-creators of this emergent creativity.
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>>>>>>>>> It is our choice whether we use the God word. I believe it is wise to do so. God
>>>>>>>>> can be our shared name for the true creativity in the natural universe. Such a
>>>>>>>>> view invites a new sense of the sacred, as those aspects of the creativity in
>>>>>>>>> the universe that we deem worthy of holding sacred. We are not logically forced
>>>>>>>>> to this view. Yet a global civilization, hopefully persistently diverse and
>>>>>>>>> creative, is emerging. I believe we need a shared view of God, a fully natural
>>>>>>>>> God, to orient our lives. We need a shared view of the sacred that is open to
>>>>>>>>> slow evolution, because rigidity in our view of the sacred violates how our most
>>>>>>>>> precious values evolve and invites ethical hegemony. We need a shared global
>>>>>>>>> ethic beyond our materialism. I believe a sense of God as the natural, awesome
>>>>>>>>> creativity in the universe can help us construct the sacred and a global ethic
>>>>>>>>> to help shape the global civilization toward what we choose with the best of our
>>>>>>>>> limited wisdom."
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>>>>>>>>> limited wisdom.
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>>>>>>>> It is well enough mainstream accepted that there has been a good God
>>>>>>>> and a bad God.
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>>>>>>>> The well educated and otherwise technologically informed Cathars were
>>>>>>>> among the few trying their best intensions at keeping us in tune or
>>>>>>>> focused upon what a good God would have liked of us humans to strive
>>>>>>>> for.
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>>>>>>>> Obviously the Roman Catholic bad God knew how to kick serious butt,
>>>>>>>> and their Pope (aka commander and chief faith-based moron of that era)
>>>>>>>> did just that, setting up an example that clearly impressed Hitler,
>>>>>>>> and not otherwise having gone unnoticed by his white skinned Zionist
>>>>>>>> puppet masters as having a global domination plan of their very own.
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>>>>>>>> Hitler and of his physics and science company of Zionist goons plus
>>>>>>>> countless servitude minions treated those of their concentration camps
>>>>>>>> better off than rabbi Saul and Deco has treated far too many within
>>>>>>>> Usenet/newsgroups, and yet folks like Stuart Kauffman and yourself so
>>>>>>>> often keep entertaining our resident republican Godfather perverts as
>>>>>>>> though they are even slightly human.
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>>>>>>>> One thing for certain, your Eden should have no accommodations for the
>>>>>>>> likes of rabbi Saul unless given preferential status by way of
>>>>>>>> yourself. Do you really want the likes of Saul and other pretend-
>>>>>>>> Atheists as intellectual predatory perverts in your Eden?
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>>>>>>>> ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG
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>>>>>>> KOOK FIGHT! KOOK FIGHT!!!
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>>>>>>> -- cary
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>>>>>> Is your face stuck in your zipper? (apparently so)
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>>>>> No. Because here I am at work.
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>>>>> Whereas if I could do that, I'd never leave my room.
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>>>>> -- cary
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>>>> Your boss knows what you're doing with his/her network, on company
>>>> time none the less?
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>>> Sure does.
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>>> Anything else I might help you with?
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>>> -- cary
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>> I should have guessed, CIA/MI5 spooks-R-us, or is it another Zionist
>> rabbi thing?
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> Why not a KGB/Savak spooks-R-us Mullah thing?
Apparently anything but the truth that makes you a happy camper.
~ BG
