> Jerry Kraus wrote:

>> Sounds like an elaborate rationalization of the simple and obvious
>> fact the scientists, currently, haven't the slightest idea what
>> they're doing.

>

>> How about doing a better job on pragmatic reductionism, solving some
>> real world problems, and not trying to justify scientific incompetence
>> on the basis of a theistic conception of human impotence?

> Sure. Just a sec.

>> You are quite correct that this is not conventional religion.
>> Conventional religion attempts to exalt humanity.  Kauffman's
>> conception degrades it.  To the level of utter incompetence of modern
>> science.

>
> Who getsta decide what degredaton is? There's another example to
> consider dug up by archeology in prehistoric SE Europe. See Gimbutas,
> "The Language of the Goddess", in which she tries to reconstruct the
> original Aryan cosmology. Joseph Campbell wrote the forward, which he
> closes with:"The message here is of an actual age of peace and harmony
> with the creative energies of Nature, which for a spell of some 4000
> prehistoric years anteceded the 5000 of what James Joyce has termed the
> 'nightmare' (of contending tribal and national interests) from which it
> is certainly time for this planet to wake." [his parens]
>
> This claim of a real 'Golden Age of Peace' has been hotly debated in
> archeology. But if you look at the collections of artifacts recovered
> from the tels in the river basins that empty into the west end of the
> Black Sea from 8000-4000 BC, it aint what they found, its what they
> didnt. There are no weapons even tho they invented bronze. There are no
> graves of warriors and no iconography of weapons or warfare.
>
> Goodison and Morris set out to open up a virgin tel specifically looking
>   for signs of warfare, which they report in "Ancient Goddesses" down
> thru 4000 years of occupation layers, they did not find any.
>
> Campbell, Eliade, Gimbutas, and others have collected snippets of myth
> and iconography and collated them using the rules of etymology to
> reconstruct the cosmology. to wit:
> Chaos, not god, was the primordial initial state.
>
> But just as any study of random phenomena will reveal, eventually you
> get something that self replicates. Thus Gaia *evolves* out of Chaos.
>
> And since She continues to evolve, as life still does, eventually She
> reached a state of sentience and differentiated Herself from Chaos to
> produce 'Maya', the physical universe.  And like all natural Mothers,
> has the instinct to create more life, but unlike god, has no divine
> plan, but sets life free to fulfill its own destiny.
>
> The Bible has you here to please god and his host. Gaia has you here
> that She mite please you. The reason for the Golden Age of peace becomes
> more clear when you consider the problem a demagogue would have trying
> to rile up a mob or an army by claiming that *HE* speaks in *HER* name.
>
> The Biblical god relies on the negative re-inforcement of threats of
> damnation and force to compel obedience. Gaia uses the positive
> re-inforcement of sex, drugs, rock and roll. Thus, She is often depicted
> dancing. And now that the brave heart, strong right arm, sword in hand-
> no longer cuts it, the other power of the cunt to get cooperation is
> taking over. There are no systems of safe weapons, but women have
> figured out how to use safe sex.