Re: ...Science Reinvents God... by Stuart Kauffman
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Re: ...Science Reinvents God... by Stuart Kauffman         

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Author: jonathan
Date: Sep 17, 2008 17:16

"BradGuth" gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 10, 8:12 pm, "jonathan" write.instead.net> wrote:
>> God as the Emergent Process of Creation.
>>
>I'm not suggesting that all the bad and ugly aspects of terrestrial
>life can be so easily excluded from Eden, but of the well known
>predators and their gang or faith-based swarm of killer bee like
>mindset can be fairly easily excluded, unless that is not your
>intentions.
> ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG

We live in Eden! Take a good look around the nearest
hundred light years or so, see anyplace else even remotely
like Earth??? At the very least Earth is a rare oasis.

"Who has not found the heaven below
Will fail of it above."

It's only our ignorance of this fact, and of it's inherent
creative processes and simplicity, that prevents Earth
from being Heaven-like for more.

You still have the linear mindset of good and evil.
A finely graded scale from worst to best.
From a minimum to a maximum, like a sliding scale
of simple to more complex.

evil >>> good
simple >>> complicated

(if you do, you're still in the Dark Ages)

In the /correct/ non-linear frame of reference there are
two (evil) minimums and a single (good ) maximum.

evil >>> good <<< evil

OR

static >>> dynamic <<< chaotic
simple >>> complex <<< simple

OR

solids >>> fluids <<< gases
condensation >>> cloud <<< evaporation
subcritical >>> edge of chaos <<< supercritical
matter >>> light <<< energy

OR

product >>> market <<< consumer
rule of law >>> democracy <<< freedom
knowledge >>> genius <<< imagination
gravity >>> inertia <<< cosmic expansion
science >>> arts <<< philosophy

classical motion >>> reality <<< quantum motion

And so on....

Only when a system combines equal measures of
its own opposite extremes, as above, will the whole
become more than it's sum. When the two are intractably
entangled so that one can't tell which-is-which. Only then
will evolution emerge. Each extreme, alone and separate, defines
a weak or dying system (evil). But together, at the phase transition
/between/ opposite extremes... the system spontaneously
self tunes, organizes and takes on a life of its own (good)

Creation!

order >>> creation <<< disorder

At a human scale, what's another term for this
relationship between opposite extremes???

male >>> Love <<< female

For ALL REAL WORLD complex adaptive systems....
Love is the answer!!! Where the ideal structure or ideal solution
is found at the edge state where opposites coexist/entangled
so that one can't tell....which-is-which.

As in the duality of light. As in a market system
As in a cloud or an emotion.

Creation results from the highest level of system /uncertainty/
or complexity. The ONE PLACE where reductionist methods
are completely blind. Where certainty cannot be found.

There is a simplicity to the universe that most of the classically trained
reductionist 'faithful' have yet to grasp. Your search for
Certainty is misguided.

Truth of our reality is found in the search for ...uncertainty
or complexity. It turns out the very latest mathematics
is finding out what philosophers knew all along.

"THAT Love is all there is,
Is all we know of Love;"

DYNAMICS OF COMPLEX SYSTEMS
Textbook for seminar/course on complex systems
http://necsi.org/publications/dcs/

The Complexity & Artificial Life Research Concept
for Self-Organizing Systems
http://www.calresco.org/

"Growth of Man -- like Growth of Nature
Gravitates within
Atmosphere, and Sun endorse it
Bit it stir -- alone

Each -- its difficult Ideal
Must achieve -- Itself
Through the solitary prowess
Of a Silent Life

Effort -- is the sole condition
Patience of Itself
Patience of opposing forces
And intact Belief

Looking on -- is the Department
Of its Audience
But Transaction
-- is assisted
By no Countenance "

Poems by E Dickinson

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