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Re: ...Science Reinvents God... by Stuart Kauffman         


Author: BradGuth
Date: Sep 17, 2008 06:59

On Sep 10, 8:12 pm, "jonathan" write.instead.net> wrote:
> God as the Emergent Process of Creation.
>
> A pioneer of complexity science, Stuart A. Kauffman, M.D., is
> Chief Scientific Officer and Chairman of the Board, Bios Group Inc.
> Since 1985, he has served as a consultant to Los Alamos National
> Laboratory, and from 1986 to 1998 as Professor at the Santa Fe
> Institute. Major areas of research include Developmental Genetics,
> Theoretical Biology, Evolution, and the Origin of Life. He was
> awarded the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Fellowship
> and The Herbert A. Simon Award.
>
> Beyond Reductionism: Reinventing the Sacred
>
> Stuart Kauffman
>
> Abstract
>
> "We have lived under the hegemony of the reductionistic scientific worldview
> since Galileo, Newton, and Laplace. In this view, the universe is meaningless, ...
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Re: ...Science Reinvents God... by Stuart Kauffman         


Author: jonathan
Date: Sep 17, 2008 17:16

"BradGuth" gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 10, 8:12 pm, "jonathan" write.instead.net> wrote:
>> God as the Emergent Process of Creation.
>>
>I'm not suggesting that all the bad and ugly aspects of terrestrial
>life can be so easily excluded from Eden, but of the well known
>predators and their gang or faith-based swarm of killer bee like
>mindset can be fairly easily excluded, unless that is not your
>intentions.
> ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG

We live in Eden! Take a good look around the nearest
hundred light years or so, see anyplace else even remotely
like Earth??? At the very least Earth is a rare oasis.

"Who has not found the heaven below
Will fail of it above."

It's only our ignorance of this fact, and of it's inherent
creative processes and simplicity, that prevents Earth
from being Heaven-like for more.
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Re: ...Science Reinvents God... by Stuart Kauffman         


Author: BradGuth
Date: Sep 17, 2008 18:44

On Sep 17, 5:16 pm, "jonathan" write.instead.net> wrote:
> "BradGuth" gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:c169a969-5dae-4756-960e-4d58a97302fc@a29g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 10, 8:12 pm, "jonathan" write.instead.net> wrote:
>
>>> God as the Emergent Process of Creation.
>
>>I'm not suggesting that all the bad and ugly aspects of terrestrial
>>life can be so easily excluded from Eden, but of the well known
>>predators and their gang or faith-based swarm of killer bee like
>>mindset can be fairly easily excluded, unless that is not your
>>intentions.
>> ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG
>
> We live in Eden! Take a good look around the nearest
> hundred light years or so, see anyplace else even remotely
> like Earth??? At the very least Earth is...
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Re: ...Science Reinvents God... by Stuart Kauffman         


Author: jonathan
Date: Sep 18, 2008 15:54

"BradGuth" gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sep 17, 5:16 pm, "jonathan" write.instead.net> wrote:
>> "BradGuth" gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:c169a969-5dae-4756-960e-4d58a97302fc@a29g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>> On Sep 10, 8:12 pm, "jonathan" write.instead.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> God as the Emergent Process of Creation.
>>
>>>I'm not suggesting that all the bad and ugly aspects of terrestrial
>>>life can be so easily excluded from Eden, but of the well known
>>>predators and their gang or faith-based swarm of killer bee like
>>>mindset can be fairly easily excluded, unless that is not your
>>>intentions.
>>> ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG
>>
>> We live in Eden! Take a good look around the nearest
>> hundred light years or so, see anyplace else even remotely
>> like Earth??? At the very least Earth is a rare oasis. ...
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Re: ...Science Reinvents God... by Stuart Kauffman         


Author: BradGuth
Date: Sep 18, 2008 19:48

On Sep 18, 3:54 pm, "jonathan" write.instead.net> wrote:
> "BradGuth" gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>> On Sep 17, 5:16 pm, "jonathan" write.instead.net> wrote:
>>> "BradGuth" gmail.com> wrote in message
>
>>>news:c169a969-5dae-4756-960e-4d58a97302fc@a29g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Sep 10, 8:12 pm, "jonathan" write.instead.net> wrote:
>
>>>>> God as the Emergent Process of Creation.
>
>>>>I'm not suggesting that all the bad and ugly aspects of terrestrial
>>>>life can be so easily excluded from Eden, but of the well known
>>>>predators and their gang or faith-based swarm of killer bee like
>>>>mindset can be fairly easily excluded, unless that is not your
>>>>intentions. ...
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Re: ...Science Reinvents God... by Stuart Kauffman         


Author: jonathan
Date: Sep 22, 2008 17:03

"BradGuth" gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sep 18, 3:54 pm, "jonathan" write.instead.net> wrote:
>> "BradGuth" gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
> Is there a before and after pillaging, plundering, raping and blood-
> letting poem that's emergent God approved? If not, I could certainly
> help make one up.
>

Of course there is. Nature can answer all your questions of meaning.

"Apparently with no surprise
To any happy flower,
The frost beheads it at its play
In accidental power.

The blond assassin passes on,
The sun proceeds unmoved
To measure off another day
For an approving God."
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Re: ...Science Reinvents God... by Stuart Kauffman         


Author: BradGuth
Date: Sep 22, 2008 18:20

On Sep 22, 5:03 pm, "jonathan" write.instead.net> wrote:
> "BradGuth" gmail.com> wrote in message
>
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>> On Sep 18, 3:54 pm, "jonathan" write.instead.net> wrote:
>>> "BradGuth" gmail.com> wrote in message
>
>> Is there a before and after pillaging, plundering, raping and blood-
>> letting poem that's emergent God approved? If not, I could certainly
>> help make one up.
>
> Of course there is. Nature can answer all your questions of meaning.
>
> "Apparently with no surprise
> To any happy flower,
> The frost beheads it at its play
> In accidental power.
>
> The blond assassin passes on, ...
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Re: ...Science Reinvents God... by Stuart Kauffman         


Author: jonathan
Date: Sep 22, 2008 19:14

"BradGuth" gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sep 22, 5:03 pm, "jonathan" write.instead.net> wrote:
>> "BradGuth" gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Nature has not answered all questions of meaning, that is unless I
> were rich and powerful like so many Republican Mafia types.
>
> Do mainstream lies upon lies count as nature? as after all they too
> emerge from the supposed intelligent species of terrestrial life.

You still fail to grasp the new non-linear frame of reference
with which to examine such questions.

It's the battle between the two opposite...minimums...or extremes
that results in good. The static (evil) extreme where nothing changes
vs the chaotic (evil) opposite where nothing ever repeats. When
these opposite evils are hopelessly entangled, so that one can't tell
which-is-which, is when Creation begins.
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Re: ...Science Reinvents God... by Stuart Kauffman         


Author: BradGuth
Date: Sep 22, 2008 22:03

On Sep 22, 7:14 pm, "jonathan" write.instead.net> wrote:
> "BradGuth" gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:47133fcb-3528-4b8b-8c21-2b6fe94c84b1@i20g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
>> On Sep 22, 5:03 pm, "jonathan" write.instead.net> wrote:
>>> "BradGuth" gmail.com> wrote in message
>
>> Nature has not answered all questions of meaning, that is unless I
>> were rich and powerful like so many Republican Mafia types.
>
>> Do mainstream lies upon lies count as nature? as after all they too
>> emerge from the supposed intelligent species of terrestrial life.
>
> You still fail to grasp the new non-linear frame of reference
> with which to examine such questions.
>
> It's the battle between the two opposite...minimums...or extremes
> that results in good. The static (evil) extreme where nothing changes
> vs the chaotic (evil) opposite where nothing ever repeats. When ...
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