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Author: Cary KittrellCary Kittrell Date: Sep 12, 2008 08:39
In article <48ca1739$0$56771$edfadb0f@dtext02.news.tele.dk> "thomas p." yahoo.com> writes:>> In article <48c93406$0$56791$edfadb0f@dtext02.news.tele.dk> "thomas p."
>> yahoo.com> writes:>>>
>>> "Damien Valentine" gmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>> news:1433408c-2124-479a-9193-6ae270a4f4b2@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Sep 11, 12:13 am, "thomas p." yahoo.com> wrote:>>>>
>>>> He expressed his religious beliefs. The fact that he is also a
>>>> scientist
>>>> does nothing to support the validity of those beliefs.
>>>
>>> I'm not even sure how these beliefs are particularly religious. As
>>> far as I can tell, he's just swapping the vague word "God" for the
>>> technical term "emergence", and hoping that makes everything better
>>> somehow, all by itself.
>>> ______________________________________________________- ...
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Author: Cary KittrellCary Kittrell Date: Sep 12, 2008 09:20
>>In article <48c93406$0$56791$edfadb0f@dtext02.news.tele.dk> "thomas p." yahoo.com> writes:>>>
>>> "Damien Valentine" gmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>> news:1433408c-2124-479a-9193-6ae270a4f4b2@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Sep 11, 12:13 am, "thomas p." yahoo.com> wrote:>>>>
>>>> He expressed his religious beliefs. The fact that he is also a scientist
>>>> does nothing to support the validity of those beliefs.
>>>
>>> I'm not even sure how these beliefs are particularly religious. As
>>> far as I can tell, he's just swapping the vague word "God" for the
>>> technical term "emergence", and hoping that makes everything better
>>> somehow, all by itself.
>>> ______________________________________________________-
>>> ...
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Author: Ben KaufmanBen Kaufman Date: Sep 12, 2008 16:54
On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:18:35 +0200, "thomas p." yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> "Cary Kittrell" afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
>> news:gablva$5sj$1@onion...
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Author: thomas p.thomas p. Date: Sep 12, 2008 23:24
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>> On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:53:46 +0000 (UTC), cary@ afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary
>> Kittrell) wrote:
>> >>>In article <48c93406$0$56791$edfadb0f@dtext02.news.tele.dk> "thomas p."
>>> yahoo.com> writes:>>>>
>>>> "Damien Valentine" gmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>> news:1433408c-2124-479a-9193-6ae270a4f4b2@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On Sep 11, 12:13 am, "thomas p." yahoo.com> wrote:>>>>>
>>>>> He expressed his religious beliefs. The fact that he is also a
>>>>> scientist
>>>>> does nothing to support the validity of those beliefs.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not even sure how these beliefs are particularly religious. As
>>>> far as I can tell, he's just swapping the vague word "God" for the ...
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Author: Jerry KrausJerry Kraus Date: Sep 17, 2008 08:20
> In article <48c93406$0$56791$edfad...@dtext02.news.tele.dk> "thomas p." yahoo.com> writes:
>>> "Damien Valentine" gmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>news:1433408c-2124-479a-9193-6ae270a4f4b2@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> On Sep 11, 12:13 am, "thomas p." yahoo.com> wrote:>
>>> He expressed his religious beliefs. The fact that he is also a scientist
>>> does nothing to support the validity of those beliefs.
>
>> I'm not even sure how these beliefs are particularly religious. As
>> far as I can tell, he's just swapping the vague word "God" for the
>> technical term "emergence", and hoping that makes everything better
>> somehow, all by itself.
>> ______________________________________________________-
>
>> I think the hope is that nobody will notice that it is pseudoscientific
>> garbage.
>
> Well, not really. I'm currently halfway through the actual book (Kaffuman ...
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Author: Day BrownDay Brown Date: Sep 18, 2008 18:46
Jerry Kraus wrote:
> Sounds like an elaborate rationalization of the simple and obvious
> fact the scientists, currently, haven't the slightest idea what
> they're doing.
>
> How about doing a better job on pragmatic reductionism, solving some
> real world problems, and not trying to justify scientific incompetence
> on the basis of a theistic conception of human impotence?
Sure. Just a sec.
> You are quite correct that this is not conventional religion.
> Conventional religion attempts to exalt humanity. Kauffman's
> conception degrades it. To the level of utter incompetence of modern
> science.
Who getsta decide what degredaton is? There's another example to
consider dug up by archeology in prehistoric SE Europe. See Gimbutas,
"The Language of the Goddess", in which she tries to reconstruct the
original Aryan cosmology. Joseph Campbell wrote the forward, which he
closes with:"The message here is of an actual age of peace and harmony
with the creative energies of Nature, which for a spell of some 4000
prehistoric years anteceded the 5000 of what James Joyce has termed the ...
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Author: Jerry KrausJerry Kraus Date: Sep 19, 2008 09:00
On Sep 18, 8:46 pm, Day Brown daybrown.org> wrote:> Jerry Kraus wrote:
>> Sounds like an elaborate rationalization of the simple and obvious
>> fact the scientists, currently, haven't the slightest idea what
>> they're doing.
>
>> How about doing a better job on pragmatic reductionism, solving some
>> real world problems, and not trying to justify scientific incompetence
>> on the basis of a theistic conception of human impotence?
> Sure. Just a sec.
>> You are quite correct that this is not conventional religion.
>> Conventional religion attempts to exalt humanity. Kauffman's
>> conception degrades it. To the level of utter incompetence of modern
>> science.
>
> Who getsta decide what degredaton is? There's another example to
> consider dug up by archeology in prehistoric SE Europe. See Gimbutas,
> "The Language of the Goddess", in which she tries to reconstruct the
> original Aryan cosmology. Joseph Campbell wrote the forward, which he
> closes with:"The message here is of an actual age of peace and harmony ...
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Author: Day BrownDay Brown Date: Sep 19, 2008 11:29
Jerry Kraus wrote:
> Well, obviously without cities one can't very well have major wars,
> Day. And, you have very little reason to have them. If everyone's
> spread out enough, major conflicts are much less likely to arise
> between people, and there aren't large population concentrations to
> engage in them.
>
> On the other hand, our current "Nightmare" has dramatically increased
> human life expectancy. Then again, so did Comrade Stalin, in Russia.
The Mongols did pretty well without cities. But in general, yes.
I expect cities will remain attractive to adults, who enjoy the nite
life. But kids need to be raised in the country or villages. They are
not instinctively equipped to deal with masses of people.
My quibble with increased life expectancy is that it evolved out of an
economic system dependent on oil which has expanded faster than oil
production can be increased to supply it.
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Author: RickRick Date: Sep 22, 2008 16:07
> In article <48c93406$0$56791$edfad...@dtext02.news.tele.dk> "thomas p." yahoo.com> writes:
>>> "Damien Valentine" gmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>news:1433408c-2124-479a-9193-6ae270a4f4b2@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> On Sep 11, 12:13 am, "thomas p." yahoo.com> wrote:>
>>> He expressed his religious beliefs. The fact that he is also a scientist
>>> does nothing to support the validity of those beliefs.
>
>> I'm not even sure how these beliefs are particularly religious. As
>> far as I can tell, he's just swapping the vague word "God" for the
>> technical term "emergence", and hoping that makes everything better
>> somehow, all by itself.
>> ______________________________________________________-
>
>> I think the hope is that nobody will notice that it is pseudoscientific
>> garbage.
>
> Well, not really. I'm currently halfway through the actual book (Kaffuman ...
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