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Group: alt.philosophy · Group Profile
Author: Shawn Wilson
Date: Aug 8, 2008 16:42

On Aug 8, 9:49 am, Siobhan Medeiros wrote:
>>>> Please explain how 2 degrees is 'bad' but 20 degrees is 'irrelevant'.
>
>>> Because, idiot, the the 2 degrees is averaged over the entire year,
>>> while the 20 degrees is a difference taken at two different points in
>>> the same day.
>
>> So?
>
> So the fact that you're saying "so" proves you're a fucking moron.

All you've done is show that the 2 and the 20 were determined by
different means, something that was not at issue.

Now, the questiuon remains- how is 2 degrees is 'bad' but 20 degrees
is 'irrelevant'?

You never answer that...
>> Um, in the real world THEY ARE NOT DYING.  Polar bear numbers are
>> higher than ever.  The only localities where their numbers are falling
>> are the ones that are getting colder, not the ones that are getting
>> warme.
>
> Uh huh.  Where are you getting this from?

The people who count polar bears.

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=14099

Since the 1970s, while the world was warming, polar bear numbers
increased dramatically from around 5,000 to as many as 25,000 today.
>>   Now, I don't know if you've noticed this, but
>
>>> polar bears are white.  Because of this, they find it very difficult
>>> to hunt in places which don't have a lot of snow.  In other words,
>>> less snow, less habitat for them.  They aren't sweating to death,
>>> idiot.  They're starving.
>
>> Polar bears are only white in snow.
>
> What, they change colors like chameleons?  You really are stupid,
> aren't you?

I am not the one who has never been to a zoo to see the polar bears
nor read the signs explaining why zoo polar bears aren't white...

Polar bear fur is not white.

Polar bears in zoos are usually tan.

http://www.polarbearsinternational.org/bear-facts/polar-bear-fur/

Despite what our eyes tell us, a polar bear's fur is not white. Each
hair shaft is pigment-free and transparent with a hollow core.
>>  Visit a zoo sometime...
>
> I do.  They're all white.
>>>> Please explain how 2 degrees is 'bad' but 20 degrees is 'irrelevant'.
>
>>> First off, shit-for-brains, you have to understand the difference
>>> between weather and climate.  The 2 degrees is averaged over the
>>> entire year, while the 20 degrees is a difference taken at two
>>> different points in the same day.
>
>> So what?
>
> So you have shit for brains.

So you are STILL not answering the question...
>>> Now, as I stated before but as you're obviously too stupid to
>>> understand, the two degrees is a measurement of CLIMATE.  And as such,
>>> represents the difference between Fairbanks and Seattle.  Are you
>>> going to try to tell us there's no difference between the climate of
>>> Fairbanks and Seattle?
>
>> Please explain how a 2 degree change would kill polar bears, but a 20
>> degree change does not.
>
> I just did.

No, you didn't. On top of everything else, the typical weather in
Seattle is irrelevant to the living conditions for Polar Bears in
Canada.

So the issue isn't climate at all, it's local weather.
>>20 degrees includes 2.  To get to the 20 you
>> have to pass through the 2, which you claim would kill them.  Why are
>> they not all already dead?
>
> Because they're smarter than you are.

And yet I knowmore about polar bears than you do...
> I noticed you're also a cowardly fuck, that you shipped the part where
> I showed you the 2 degrees difference in AVERAGE temperature was the
> difference between the climate of Fairbanks and Seattle.  Don't
> bother, fucktard.  I'll just keep replacing it every time you snip
> it.  Coward.

http://www.cityrating.com/citytemperature.asp?City=Fairbanks

26.9 (average annual)

http://www.cityrating.com/citytemperature.asp?City=Seattle

52.8 (average annual)

52.8 - 26.9 = 25.9

25.9 <> 2...
>> As for climate changes, aside from other comments I could make, the
>> Holocene maximum was warmer than today and lasted for thousands of
>> years.  How did polar bears survive that, in that you claim that such
>> a thing should kill them?
>
> Because, idiot, the change was slower and the bears had time to adapt
> to the changing climate.  Dumbass.

So 2 degrees in a century is 'too fast' but 20 degrees in a day is
not?

How does that work?

Or is in dependent on the kind of cluelessness that thinks 25 degrees
equals 2 degrees...
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