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Author: chazwinchazwin Date: Jan 20, 2007 03:04
Michael wrote:
> It is a common saying that everything is subjective. Doesn't
> scientific method tend to weaken this viewpoint? Repeatability of some
> experiments seems to me to support the idea of a real and objective
> world out there. Doesn't it?
Not at all. As all evidence that forms knowledge is interpreted through
the senses the entire object/subject argument is null and void.
Objectivity comes from the naive point of view that we see exactly...
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Author: PubliusPublius Date: Jan 20, 2007 14:47
> Objectivity comes from the naive point of view that we see exactly what
> is out there: we do not.
That is "metaphysical objectivity," e.g., naive realism. It has been largely
abandoned since Kant, at least by science and philosophy (yes, there are
holdouts!)
But there is a more defensible sense (what I call "cognitive objectivity").
Objectivity and subjectivity, like truth and falsity, are properties of
propositions, not of the world. Objectivity is related...
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Author: MichaelMichael Date: Jan 16, 2007 22:01
It is a common saying that everything is subjective. Doesn't
scientific method tend to weaken this viewpoint? Repeatability of some
experiments seems to me to support the idea of a real and objective
world out there. Doesn't it?
Michael
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Author: mikegordgemikegordge Date: Jan 16, 2007 22:59
Michael wrote:
> It is a common saying that everything is subjective.
Its only as common as horse shit among the dumb arsed unthinking
Kantians.
The retort is, if everything is subjective, then that is fucking
subjective, therefore of the mind fucking bull-shit, therefore idiotic
trash, therefore invented by Kant to keep people dumb arsed unthinking
Kantians.
Michael Gordge
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Author: leelee Date: Jan 17, 2007 02:27
Michael wrote:
> It is a common saying that everything is subjective. Doesn't
> scientific method tend to weaken this viewpoint? Repeatability of some
> experiments seems to me to support the idea of a real and objective
> world out there. Doesn't it?
>
> Michael
I don''t belive that everything is subjective. I mean the fact that
the Earth revolves around the sun is an objeticve truth, yet our
knowledge is obviously cooured by our subjectivity. As is evidanced by
Mikey boys rant. He feels, subjectivly, that what he says is objectivly
true.
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Author: mikegordgemikegordge Date: Jan 17, 2007 02:46
> I don''t belive that everything is subjective.
But you do believe that everything you do believe is formed from a
subjective belief, because you cant be 100%% certian that it is, or is
not a subjective belief and even that you're not 100%% certain nor
99.99999%% uncertain about, you said so yourself. From memory you are
0.000001%% neither more or less certain or uncertain than chazzzzzzzz.
MG
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Author: leelee Date: Jan 17, 2007 03:41
>> I don''t belive that everything is subjective.
>
> But you do believe that everything you do believe is formed from a
> subjective belief, because you cant be 100%% certian that it is, or is
> not a subjective belief and even that you're not 100%% certain nor
> 99.99999%% uncertain about, you said so yourself. From memory you are
> 0.000001%% neither more or less certain or uncertain than chazzzzzzzz.
>
> MG
Hey Micky
That is more or less correct yes. How can you be 100%% certian of
anything? Are you 100%% certian of anything?
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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: Jan 17, 2007 11:03
>>> Forget my claim and make one of your own, is there anything that you
>>> are 100%% certian of?
>>
>> My love of my parents, their love of me, my love of my wife, her love
>> of me, my love of my children, their love of me, my love of my
>> grandchildren, their love of me.
>>
>> I am also absolutely 100%% certain that anyone bought into this world in
>> a realtionship of 100%% certain love and affection, would have to be the
>> most cruelest creep on earth not to confess a 100%% love of the people
>> largely responsible for their life.
>>
>> You poor poor lonely sod lee, no wonder you are a silly and sad
>> socialist, I really do feel so extremely sorry for you not being able
>> to confess your 100%% certain love for at least someone in your life at
>> some stage. ...
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Author: mikegordgemikegordge Date: Jan 17, 2007 14:03
> so every thing apart from how you feel cannot be said to be 100%%.
Crap, you stupid ignorant arrogant cunt, how dare you pretend you know
anything about me, goodgod what a fruitcake, typical Kantian mystical
desperate nonsense, pretending to see whats not there.
Your turn now, what evidence do you have to substaniate YOUR claim that
man must have doubt in the scientific physical fact, that a human being
can not survive in what is called the vacuum of space (say 40kms above
the earth's surface) outside of his space craft without wearing some
sort of a space suit?
> Can
> you then tell me what exactly love is,
Yes but I doubt its going to help you, you clearly feel let down by
your parent's love and you're going to take this to your grave, poor
sod.
NOTE I dont give a flying fuck whether or not you agree with me, the
following is what I am saying love is, and it is precisely the standard
for love I have used, to make the claims of 100%% certainty I made in
the previous post, YOU GOT THAT?
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Author: mikegordgemikegordge Date: Jan 18, 2007 02:40
> and I need no contradictory
> meaings other wise that makes your %% invalid.
Hey look, wow this is a new line fir a Kantian, demanding there be *no
contradiction* in a definition, hmmm this will be interesting.
What is the definition for certain, in your claim that its not possible
for you to ever recognise a 100%% correct non-contradicting definition,
not even of something certain.
MG
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