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Author: thinkerthinker Date: Feb 3, 2008 10:57
Science inherited a tradtion of epistemological closure from the natural
philosophy of the middle ages. This means that scientists attempt to
explain natural phenomena with natural causes and ignore the supernatural.
This has worked splendidly and we have inherited lots of benefits as well as
challenges. In any case, we know more about our world than we did when most
of the world was in the grip of religious dogmatism.
The intelligent design people, the latter-day creationists, object to this
and this is a serious issue in American education. Do you think intelligent
design belongs in the classroom, is a throw-back to medieval times, can
enlighten scientific thinking, or is an obstacle to understand the world?
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Author: tgtg Date: Feb 3, 2008 11:17
On Feb 3, 1:57 pm, "thinker" notreal.com> wrote:> Science inherited a tradtion of epistemological closure from the natural
> philosophy of the middle ages. This means that scientists attempt to
> explain natural phenomena with natural causes and ignore the supernatural.
> This has worked splendidly and we have inherited lots of benefits as well as
> challenges. In any case, we know more about our world than we did when most
> of the world was in the grip of religious dogmatism.
>
> The intelligent design people, the latter-day creationists, object to this
> and this is a serious issue in American education. Do you think intelligent
> design belongs in the classroom, is a throw-back to medieval times, can
> enlighten scientific thinking, or is an obstacle to understand the...
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Author: Sir FrederickSir Frederick Date: Feb 3, 2008 11:19
On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 13:57:21 -0500, "thinker" notreal.com> wrote:
>Science inherited a tradtion of epistemological closure from the natural
>philosophy of the middle ages. This means that scientists attempt to
>explain natural phenomena with natural causes and ignore...
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Date: Feb 3, 2008 12:06
"thinker" notreal.com> wrote in message
news:c9adnca2CNufkjvanZ2dnUVZ_q-jnZ2d@comcast.com...> [...]
> Do you think intelligent design belongs in the classroom, is a throw-back
> to medieval times, can enlighten scientific thinking, or is an obstacle to
> understand the world?
ID belongs in a classroom as a study of Philosophy, or a History of
Scientific Thought. It could be very valuable to anyone to understand what
forms of teleology exist. Knowing that can create a foundation for
enlightened scientific thought which could nicely balance some schools'
penchant for Scientism, which is just as incorrect as ID (in the creationist
sense.)
Scientific Imperialists and ID ceationists err the same way.
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Author: thinkerthinker Date: Feb 3, 2008 12:05
> On Feb 3, 1:57 pm, "thinker" notreal.com> wrote:>> Science inherited a tradtion of epistemological closure from the natural
>> philosophy of the middle ages. This means that scientists attempt to
>> explain natural phenomena with natural causes and ignore the
>> supernatural.
>> This has worked splendidly and we have inherited lots of benefits as well
>> as
>> challenges. In any case, we know more about our world than we did when
>> most
>> of the world was in the grip of religious dogmatism.
>>
>> The intelligent design people, the latter-day creationists, object to
>> this
>> and this is a serious issue in American education. Do you think
>> intelligent
>> design belongs in the classroom, is a throw-back to medieval times, can
>> enlighten scientific thinking, or is an obstacle to understand the world?
> Please provide a syllabus or even a lesson plan for intelligent design ...
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Author: thinkerthinker Date: Feb 3, 2008 12:08
"Sir Frederick" fuzzysys.com> wrote in message
news:ma4cq3d33540l32fkoc7qr2qqvf9djqqmf@4ax.com...> On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 13:57:21 -0500, "thinker" notreal.com>
> wrote:
>>>Science inherited a tradtion of epistemological closure from the natural
>>philosophy of the middle ages. This means that scientists attempt to
>>explain natural phenomena with natural causes and ignore the supernatural.
>>This has worked splendidly and we have inherited lots of benefits as well
>>as
>>challenges. In any case, we know more about our world than we did when
>>most
>>of the world was in the grip of religious dogmatism.
>>
>>The intelligent design people, the latter-day creationists, object to this
>>and this is a serious issue in American education. Do you think
>>intelligent
>>design belongs in the classroom, is a throw-back to medieval times, can
>>enlighten scientific thinking, or is an obstacle to understand the world?
>> ...
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Author: knucmoknucmo Date: Feb 3, 2008 12:26
On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 13:57:21 -0500, "thinker"
notreal.com> wrote:
>Science inherited a tradtion of epistemological closure from the natural
>philosophy of the middle ages. This means that scientists attempt to
>explain natural phenomena with natural causes and ignore the supernatural.
>This has worked splendidly and we have inherited lots of benefits as well as
>challenges. In any case, we know more about our world than we did when most
>of the world was in the grip of religious dogmatism.
>
>The intelligent design people, the latter-day creationists, object to this
>and this is a serious issue in American education. Do you think intelligent
>design belongs in the classroom, is a throw-back to medieval times, can
>enlighten scientific thinking, or is an obstacle to understand the world?
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Author: John JonesJohn Jones Date: Feb 3, 2008 12:27
thinker wrote:
> Science inherited a tradtion of epistemological closure from the natural
> philosophy of the middle ages. This means that scientists attempt to
> explain natural phenomena with natural causes and ignore the supernatural.
> This has worked splendidly and we have inherited lots of benefits as well as
> challenges. In any case, we know more about our world than we did when most
> of the world was in the grip of religious dogmatism.
>
> The intelligent design people, the latter-day creationists, object to this
> and this is a serious issue in American education. Do you think intelligent
> design belongs in the classroom, is a throw-back to medieval times, can
> enlighten scientific thinking, or is an obstacle to understand the world?
>
>
The supernatural is science's own invention, and it is they who must
jusitify the concept and its polemical use. From where I am standing,
the concept is a straw man.
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Author: caseycasey Date: Feb 3, 2008 12:53
On Feb 4, 5:57 am, "thinker" notreal.com> wrote:> Science inherited a tradtion of epistemological closure
> from the natural philosophy of the middle ages. This
> means that scientists attempt to explain natural phenomena
> with natural causes and ignore the supernatural.
If something has an effect science would not ignore it.
The belief some people have in the supernatural does have
an effect and thus such beliefs are worthy of study.
> This has worked splendidly and we have inherited lots of
> benefits as well as challenges. In any case, we know more
> about our world than we did when most of the world was in
> the grip of religious dogmatism.
But no hope of life after death. Religion still wins on
that score :)
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Author: ArtArt Date: Feb 3, 2008 13:30
On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 13:57:21 -0500, "thinker"
notreal.com> wrote:
>Science inherited a tradtion of epistemological closure from the natural
>philosophy of the middle ages. This means that scientists attempt to
>explain natural phenomena with natural causes and ignore the supernatural.
>This has worked splendidly and we have inherited lots of benefits as well as
>challenges. In any case, we know more about our world than we did when most
>of the world was in the grip of religious dogmatism.
>
>The intelligent design people, the latter-day creationists, object to this
>and this is a serious issue in American education. Do you think intelligent
>design belongs in the classroom, is a throw-back to medieval times, can
>enlighten scientific thinking, or is an obstacle to understand the world?
According to a documentary I saw on tv, the origin of the ID movement
was traced to a rabble rouser intent on getting Christianity back in
the public schools. The judge in the Dover case wisely ruled exactly
that way and he put a stop to the clowns on the Dover school board
who were pushing ID.
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