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>> Homosexual activists are exploiting their agenda through "safe school"
>> laws across the nation - and California is their latest laboratory.
>> It's 1 o'clock in the morning and 27-year-old Lybe Crumpton is
>> standing alone, shaking and on the verge of tears. No, she hasn't been
>> robbed. She's a fifth-grade teacher who's afraid her students might be
>> harmed by the homosexual agenda.

>
> Okay, this seems to distill to "No, I don't have, and can't find, a relevant
> answer to the question that was asked."

>
> Or maybe I'm just not asking the right question. Or maybe there isn't an
> answer, let alone a good one. Wish there were some way to find out for
> certain. One thing's for sure, though: Even after the election campaigns
> have been over for weeks, there's still no shortage of red herrings.
> --
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>> A petite brunette with large brown eyes, she has just watched her
>> school board approve the idea that classrooms like hers play a video
>> called That's A Family!, featuring 9- and 10-year-old children lauding
>> the benefits of living with two moms or two dads.
>> My dads are gay, and gay means . . . two men or two women love each
>> other, says one smiling girl in the video. It's sort of like having a
>> mom and a dad love each other, just that it is a man and a man.
>> But that's not the worst of it. The video which also portrays
>> children of divorced, single and even jailed parents comes with a
>> teachers handbook including a crossword puzzle for elementary kids
>> using words like
>> transgender and discussion questions such as, What did you learn from
>> this video about families with gay parents? What else would you like
>> to know?
>> It was five hours ago that Crumpton slipped unnoticed into the back of
>> the Novato, Calif., school board meeting and heard gay-rights
>> activists warning the board it had better allow tolerance lessons like
>> this video or risk lawsuits.
>> That upsets Crumpton because she doesn't think elementary-school kids
>> are ready to discuss sexual lifestyles, especially one as physically
>> and spiritually devastating as homosexuality.
>> They're not worried about who is sleeping with whom, she says. They
>> worry about who's the best at soccer.
>> They are just opening a Pandora's box, Crumpton told Citizen moments
>> after the vote.
>> Exploiting Danger
>> What's happening in Novato, an affluent Bay-area suburb in Northern
>> California, has become increasingly common across the nation as
>> homosexual activists use safe school laws and concerns over school
>> bullying to advance their agenda.
>> It works like this: First, homosexual activists tout hate crimes those
>> sad but rare incidents in which students are harmed because they are
>> gay and then they push for laws protecting homosexual students. Once
>> those laws pass, activists persuade schools to adopt curricula that
>> promotes not just student safety, but acceptance of homosexuality.
>> Making schools safe . . . is strongly tied to ensuring that classrooms
>> are inclusive of LGBT [lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender] themes,
>> said the Web site for one of the nation's largest homosexual lobby
>> groups the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network (GLSEN).
>> GLSEN's executive director, Kevin Jennings, made no secret of that
>> strategy while extolling homosexual activists inroads into
>> Massachusetts schools a few years ago.
>> We immediately seized upon the opponents calling card safety, he
>> said. We knew that, confronted with real-life stories of youth who had
>> suffered from homophobia, our opponents would automatically be on the
>> defensive. . . . This allowed us to set the terms of the debate.
>> So far the tactic is working; at least eight states have passed safe
>> school laws to protect gay and lesbian students, and five more
>> (including Florida and New York) are considering similar legislation.
>> But it's California schools that have taken the lead.
>> Over the last two years, legislators in Sacramento have cranked out
>> laws requiring curriculum to reflect appreciation of different sexual
>> lifestyles and adding sexual orientation to school discrimination
>> policies.
>> Those laws leave schools that resist homosexual pressure vulnerable to
>> lawsuits, explained Jeff McAlpin, a Novato school board member who
>> voted against pro-homosexual curriculum.
>> The state of California has put us in a very difficult position, he
>> said. We don't have a choice in terms of providing protection [for
>> homosexual rights], so then the question becomes how far do we go?
>> It puts you at some level of risk if they can prove you didn't have a
>> safe environment. And that risk has cast the door wide open to
>> homosexual activists wielding the threat of lawsuits.
>> The Gay-Straight Alliance Network (GSA), for instance a group that
>> openly pushes for the normalization of homosexuality through student
>> clubs has issued a fact sheet urging activists to think of AB 537 [a
>> California safe school law] as a tool and use it as leverage to work
>> to change the school climate.
>> Apparently, members took their marching orders seriously.
>> After homosexual students in Visalia, Calif., complained of
>> harassment, their district was punished with a federal court
>> settlement under AB 537 that forced teachers to receive mandatory
>> gay-rights training. This year, the district's ninth-grade students
>> also will attend court-ordered classes taught by the GSA.
>> While the case does not directly apply to Novato, said McAlpin, It was
>> clearly a shot across the bows of all school districts that [safe
>> school laws] had an impact on one district . . . and other districts
>> better be careful.
>> Part of the Price?
>> If the California education system is the latest gay-rights
>> laboratory, then the Hayward Unified School District is its most
>> successful experiment. Unlike Novato, with its Victorian homes and
>> white picket fences, Hayward is an industrial town on the south side
>> of the Bay filled with cinderblock buildings and windowless factories.
>> But just like Novato, Christian teachers in Hayward feel forced to
>> promote a political agenda.
>> Our backs are against the wall, said Matthew Freschi, a physical
>> education teacher at Hayward High School. We feel the need to step
>> forward. Enough is enough.
>> What pushed Freschi into action was the 2-4-6-8 Are you sure you're
>> really straight? sign he discovered on his gymnasium door, as well as
>> the staff meeting he attended at which teachers were encouraged to
>> assign students library books about homosexuals. Both incidents were
>> billed as the school's effort to foster safety for gay and lesbian
>> students.
>> I agree that no student should be abused or battered for any reason,
>> Freschi said, but to me that's not protecting anybody; that's
>> promoting something.
>> Indeed, Hayward is the perfect case study of how safe school laws
>> create special privileges for some and oppression for others.
>> Just ask Monica, a Spanish teacher who had her pay docked last year
>> for refusing to attend a seminar endorsing homosexuality.
>> When Hayward school officials ordered teachers to attend sensitivity
>> training on April 8, Monica and three colleagues at Tennyson High
>> School requested permission to opt out.
>> We didn't want to sit and be indoctrinated for four hours, said
>> Manriquez, who'd already suffered through previous sensitivity
>> sessions. I have no problem with being sensitive, but what they mean
>> by that is that we have to be pro-gay in our classrooms.
>> After the principal denied their request, the teachers sought help
>> from the Pacific Justice Institute, a Sacramento-based Christian legal
>> organization, which argued that civil-rights laws protect religious
>> freedom in the workplace.
>> But school officials claimed safe school laws trumped those rights, in
>> a letter stating that the District has an obligation to ensure that
>> its employees are properly trained in applicable law. A few days
>> later, the teachers received notice their pay would be docked for
>> missing half a day.
>> These teachers offered to work [in their classroom], so the issue was
>> not their willingness to work, said Brad Dacus, chief counsel for the
>> institute. The issue was the intolerance of the school district . . .
>> that would force teachers to compromise their convictions as
>> Christians.
>> That wasn't the end of their troubles. Dubbed The Tennyson Four by
>> media, the teachers were derided in local newspapers and ostracized at
>> work. These four teachers are out of touch with the standards of our
>> community, wrote the Hayward Daily Review in an editorial. It's
>> possible that some public school students in Hayward are being
>> assigned to a teacher who hates them. . . . Their human rights should
>> outweigh teachers religious rights.
>> Nobody would talk to us for a while, added Monica. But that's part of
>> the price.
>> As the Hayward school district quietly trampled on religious freedom,
>> it drew national attention for a resolution granting homosexual
>> teachers the right to declare their homosexuality without fear of
>> reprisal and bring up homosexual relationships in class without
>> parental consent.
>> Once again waiving the safe school banner, the April 10 resolution
>> asserted that a crisis exists in Hayward and called for ongoing
>> sensitivity training and curriculum that provides positive images of
>> GLBT [gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender] people in the classroom.
>> In a newspaper interview, Tennyson drama teacher Kelsey Hartman
>> expressed relief that she could now talk about her lesbianism and have
>> students read a play featuring two women falling in love without fear
>> of punishment: Now I know we have support, she said. If I'm ashamed,
>> it shows the students there's something wrong with it.
>> But Christian teachers don't have the same protection. At previous
>> sensitivity seminars, Monica said she was told our religion is not to
>> be brought up. We are to talk about our culture, but not our religion.
>> Courage Under Fire
>> Another Christian teacher who did attend the April 8 training, Cynthia
>> Huggett, says Monica was right to stay away.
>> When Huggett arrived, the first thing she saw was a display of
>> newspaper articles about The Tennyson Four. There was a lot of
>> negativity toward them, Huggett remembered. I heard comments . . .
>> like they couldn't understand why those teachers couldn't be here. . .
>> . What's their problem?
>> I was kind of wondering myself, well, why are these four people
>> refusing to go?
>> She soon found out. During sessions led by educators from area
>> schools, religion was constantly ridiculed, said Huggett. In a seminar
>> video called Teaching Respect, for instance, a presenter
>> matter-of-factly listed people homosexual students could go to for
>> help, including parents and teachers, but when he got to the word
>> pastor, he stopped. He paused, and he looked at the audience to get a
>> laugh out of it like, Right . . . Christians hate gays. . . . If
>> anything it would be somebody that they would not trust. That was the
>> gist of it, said Huggett, a Tennyson math teacher. She recalled her
>> shock when other teachers laughed:
>> I was thinking, Why are they laughing? Here this was called
>> sensitivity awareness. . . . First you start with joking, you break
>> the ice by saying we can make fun of these people now.
>> According to Huggett and others , the video also claimed that biblical
>> references about Jesus sitting at the right hand of God were used to
>> discriminate against left-handed people.
>> They used Scripture to point out the fact that . . . Christians have a
>> history from the beginning of bashing homosexuality and people who are
>> different because God said so, said Huggett. I thought, How dare you
>> say I can't stand up and talk to my kids about what I believe and
>> bring out the Bible, but you can go ahead for your purposes and
>> actually misquote [the Bible]?
>> By the time the lunch break rolled around, Huggett was too distraught
>> to stay, so she sought comfort at home in a daily devotional book. To
>> her surprise, Hebrews 12:2, a verse that describes Jesus sitting at
>> the right hand of God, was referenced on that day's page.
>> To come home and see it in my journal . . . it was one of those
>> moments in my Christian walk that I felt was the closest thing to God
>> just opening his mouth and talking to me, Huggett said. It was like,
>> Yes Cindy, you are right. . . . You see what's going on. You see the
>> evil in it. You understand it. And I'm going to let you know by
>> Scripture.
>> Emboldened, she spoke her mind a few days later at a faculty meeting.
>> I strongly feel that if I don't say something, this will continue and
>> Christians will be bashed again and again, And I'm not going to let
>> that happen. I will not stay here if that is going to happen. I will
>> lose my job and wash dishes if I have to.
>> Cinderfella
>> So what does coercing Christian teachers into attending seminars that
>> belittle their religion have to do with teaching homosexuality to
>> kids? The answer is simple: To advance their cause, homosexual
>> activists must first undermine beliefs that categorize right and wrong
>> behavior.
>> We've seen the same pattern emerge over and over, said Scott Lively,
>> who as director of the Pro-Family Law Center has tracked homosexual
>> infiltration into Vermont, Oregon and Massachusetts school districts.
>> The gay agenda is first pushed to teachers, then they are trained how
>> to get it in the classroom. They are being trained that it is
>> acceptable, even expected, to trample on the private beliefs and
>> values of the students in their care.
>> Handouts from the Hayward sensitivity seminars over the past two years
>> illustrate this agenda. A What You Can Do list distributed at one of
>> this year's seminars, for instance, suggested that teachers say the
>> words often lesbian, gay, bisexual in a positive way and identify
>> gay, lesbian, bisexual contributors throughout the curriculum.
>> Another handout encouraged schools to bring in openly gay, lesbian,
>> bisexual adults as resources in classes and assemblies and identify
>> staff who are gay-friendly and to whom questioning students may go for
>> advice.
>> Demonstrating blatant disregard for parental control, yet another page
>> entitled If a Student Comes Out to You told teachers if trust and
>> openness exist, sexual behavior could also be addressed.
>> For teachers in need of more indoctrination tools, a Resources list
>> distributed at a 2001 seminar recommended several gay-rights
>> curricula, including Preventing Prejudice: Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual,
>> Transgender Lesson Plans for Elementary Schools.
>> A copy of Preventing Prejudice includes a lesson plan for first- and
>> second-graders entitled Who Loves Whom LGBT Relationships. The plan
>> encourages teachers to introduce the lesson on Valentine's Day to
>> broaden the definition of love that is associated with that holiday
>> and to ask students to rewrite stories that involve heterosexual
>> relationships, e.g., fairy tales like Cinderella, substituting LGBT
>> relationships.
>> A kindergarten lesson included in the same curriculum called Jesse's
>> Dream Skirt tells a story about a little boy who is praised for
>> wearing a dress to school.
>> According to Hayward district spokesperson Kim Hammond, those lesson
>> plans, as well as books like Heather Has Two Mommies, are available to
>> all staff in the district.
>> What disturbs me most, said Huggett, is that once you say this should
>> be part of our curriculum, [teachers] will have to appear to believe
>> that homosexuality is a normal, healthy lifestyle.
>> Given the pressure on teachers, the only hope for public education is
>> parental outrage
>> There will be no resistance [to pro-homosexual curriculum] from within
>> the system, from the administration. There might be individual
>> teachers who object, but the union is lock-stock in step with this. As
>> a matter of fact, much of the leadership is controlled by these
>> people anyway.
>> When one school had a gay-pride day, there wasn't a peep of protest,
>> an anonymous administrator said. If the phones were ringing off the
>> hooks the day after they did that . . . saying, How dare you? believe
>> me, it would have empowered the staff to say, You know this is really
>> taking things too far. But the great masses just seem to be, I don't
>> know, asleep.
>>

>>>
>>>But though she couldn't believe it, she decides to believe it anyway.
>>>(The
>>>term for this is "make-believe.") Nice going! Never let reality and
>>>reason
>>>ruin a chance to exhibit your extraordinary...um...delight in bizarre
>>>fantasy.
>>>
>>>Thanks so much for your most entertaining (though borrowed) comments,
>>>Topaz.
>>>I appreciate that you feel strongly about children and education.
>>>Strongly
>>>enough, I trust, that you support worthy public programs and adequate
>>>funding for them.

>>
>> Only after the straights take over the country. Until then schools
>> are the most evil brainwashing camps that ever corrupted the earth.
>>

>>>
>>>However, children and education are NOT the topic under discussion in this
>>>particular thread.
>>>
>>>NOR are role-playing games.
>>>NOR paranoids terrified of anyone who's a little different.
>>>NOR diseased minds inclined to twist innocence into wickedness.
>>>NOR cynics who misinterpret pleas for tolerance as bids for control.
>>>NOR uptight folks who are terrified of anything non-traditional.
>>>NOR mixed-up folks who don't know that homosexuality and pedophilia are
>>>entirely different things.
>>>NOR anti-intellectual folks who think it's terrible to encourage kids to
>>>_think_, not just memorize and obey like good little robots.
>>>NOR creepy folks whose eyes pop at the thought of kids' underwear.
>>>(Geeze!)
>>>
>>>No, we were not discussing any of these things. So your post is a little
>>>perplexing, by virtue of its being completely off-target.

>>
>> Bull
>>

>>>
>>>What I asked about was MARRIAGE. Different kinds, but still MARRIAGE, as
>>>the "Subject" line clearly indicates. A committed, legally sanctioned
>>>relationship between consenting adults. MARRIAGE. Got it?
>>>
>>>Okay, let's say your previous miss was just a practice shot, and doesn't
>>>count. Maybe you'd like to have another try. Now let's try really hard
>>>to
>>>focus this time, shall we? Again, the general theme is "threat to
>>>marriage," so try to keep that in your sights. And again, the question
>>>was
>>>(and still is):
>>>
>>>**********
>>>What SPECIFIC DANGER does SAME-SEX MARRIAGE pose to TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE?
>>>**********

>>
>> We should abolish homosexual perversion. The fact that they push
>> their perversion on children in schools is more than enough reason.
>>

>>>
>>>This question challenges the (so far) unsubstantiated (and thus apparently
>>>red-herring) claim, so vehemently asserted during the recent U.S. election
>>>campaign, that allowing same-sex marriage would somehow destroy the
>>>institution of traditional marriage.
>>>
>>>The cause-effect connection is apparently taken for granted by many
>>>conservatives, but is far from obvious to the rest of us (if election
>>>results are any indication). Therefore, the alleged danger needs to be
>>>specified, and the presumed causal relationship of same-sex marriage
>>>explained, with credible relevant evidence and cogent logic, in clear
>>>enough
>>>terms that sober conservatives, moderates, and even we stupid egghead
>>>liberals can get it. A really good response should also address evidence
>>>to
>>>the contrary, from places in which same-sex unions are accepted, with
>>>apparently no ill effects to traditional marriage.
>>>
>>>So please help us out here, Topaz, if you can. Try to stay focused.
>>>Remember, your response should have something to do with *marriage* and
>>>the
>>>supposed *threat.*

>>
>> We should abolish homosexual perversion. The fact that they push
>> their perversion on children in schools is more than enough reason.
>>

>>>
>>>If you have, or can find, a serious answer to THIS question, then we'd
>>>very
>>>much like to read it. Especially if the answer makes sense and there's
>>>good
>>>evidence to back it up. I, for one, am trying to remain open-minded
>>>enough
>>>to suppose that there might be a valid explanation out there somewhere
>>>(which is why I'm asking). But to be quite honest, we don't expect much.
>>>So surprise us. Even if your answer isn't very convincing, keeping it
>>>relevant to the question would be a great first step, and might give us
>>>something to work with.
>>>
>>>But if you do not have, or cannot find, an answer to THIS question, then
>>>you
>>>might want to consider whether this is an appropriate forum to randomly
>>>air
>>>personal delusions and hang-ups, either your own or Ms. LaHaye's. It's
>>>probably a safe guess that most of us in alt.philosophy are not
>>>mental-health professionals, and it seems that such might be the best sort
>>>of person with whom to discuss such problems.
>>>
>>>Do try to keep it real, Topaz, and have a really nice day. :o)

>>
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