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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: Jul 29, 2008 21:48
As machines assume more--eventually all--of essential production,
humans everywhere will be left with the options of the idle rich...
The human population will regain the opportunity to organize its life
in more natural patterns. A greener planet is a likely result of this
ongoing process.
A fourth-generation robot, developed by 2040, will be able to accept
statements of purpose from humans and "compile" them into detailed
programs that accomplish the task. With a database about the world at
large, the statements could become quite general--things like "earn a
living," "make more robots," or "make a smarter robot."
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Author: Rod SpeedRod Speed Date: Jul 29, 2008 22:37
Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:
> As machines assume more--eventually all--of essential production,
I doubt it. I cant imagine say Gordon Ramsey's operation ever being robot based.
Or if you want to nit pick on your 'essential production', I doubt if say the breaking
down of a cow into its components will be done entirely by robot either.
> humans everywhere will be left with the options of the idle rich...
We did have robots serving food at one time, automats, but few liked them much.
Even the fast food industry doesnt use them much today.
> The human population will regain the opportunity to organize its life in more natural patterns.
Doesnt sound very 'natural' to me.
> A greener planet is a likely result of this ongoing process.
Well, it will certainly be greener, but not for that reason.
> A fourth-generation robot, developed by 2040, will be able
> to accept statements of purpose from humans and "compile"
> them into detailed programs that accomplish the task.
I doubt that too, most obviously what Gordon Ramsey or a slaughtman does for example.
Or even say just cleaning the house and doing all
the routine laundry etc, let alone all the yard work.
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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: Jul 29, 2008 23:11
On Jul 29, 10:37 pm, "Rod Speed" gmail.com> wrote:> Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:>> As machines assume more--eventually all--of essential production,
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> I doubt it. I cant imagine say Gordon Ramsey's operation ever being robot based.
>
> Or if you want to nit pick on your 'essential production', I doubt if say the breaking
> down of a cow into its components will be done entirely by robot either.
>
A Santa Claus Machine, named after the folkloric Santa Claus, is a
hypothetical machine that is capable of creating any required object
or structure out of any given material. It is most often referenced by
futurists and science fiction writers when discussing hypothetical
projects of enormous scale, such as a Dyson sphere. These types of
future constructions would be too large for many civilizations to
build directly, so they would need a series of machines to
intelligently build the machine with little or no direct control.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Claus_machine
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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: Jul 29, 2008 23:14
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Author: Rod SpeedRod Speed Date: Jul 29, 2008 23:56
Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote> Rod Speed gmail.com> wrote>> Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:>>> As machines assume more--eventually all--of essential production,
>> I doubt it. I cant imagine say Gordon Ramsey's operation ever being robot based.
>> Or if you want to nit pick on your 'essential production', I doubt if say the breaking
>> down of a cow into its components will be done entirely by robot either.
> A Santa Claus Machine, named after the folkloric Santa Claus,
> is a hypothetical machine that is capable of creating any
> required object or structure out of any given material.
Pity its just another pathetic little drug crazed fantasy/wank.
> It is most often referenced by futurists and science fiction writers
Wankers, actually.
> when discussing hypothetical projects of enormous scale,
> such as a Dyson sphere. These types of future constructions
> would be too large for many civilizations to build directly,
> so they would need a series of machines to intelligently
> build the machine with little or no direct control.
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Author: ZerkonXZerkonX Date: Jul 30, 2008 04:23
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:37:16 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:
>> As machines assume more--eventually all--of essential production,
>
> I doubt it.
Yes, least we forget, the Essential production is that of human
production.
There is a two sided-ness to all this.
This 'reality' is being worked on from two weighty ends of the social
spectrum; the scientific, which sadly has become another way of saying
the military, and the economic which itself is a codified term used to
describe corporate states.
The Dark Side isn't the fact that the most advanced robotics are being
designed to kill humans coupled with the fact that this capability is
being swiftly moved into private hands exclusively, it is the fact that
this is not even on the world's scope, as seems to be evident in the
dreamy bot future presented here.
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Author: forbisgarygforbisgaryg Date: Jul 30, 2008 05:10
On Jul 29, 11:11 pm, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:> On Jul 29, 10:37 pm, "Rod Speed" gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:>>> As machines assume more--eventually all--of essential production,
>
>> I doubt it. I cant imagine say Gordon Ramsey's operation ever being robot based.
>
>> Or if you want to nit pick on your 'essential production', I doubt if say the breaking
>> down of a cow into its components will be done entirely by robot either.
>
> A Santa Claus Machine, named after the folkloric Santa Claus, is a
> hypothetical machine that is capable of creating any required object
> or structure out of any given material.
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Author: forbisgarygforbisgaryg Date: Jul 30, 2008 05:26
On Jul 30, 5:10 am, forbisga...@ msn.com wrote: > On Jul 29, 11:11 pm, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On Jul 29, 10:37 pm, "Rod Speed" gmail.com> wrote:>
>>> Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:>>>> As machines assume more--eventually all--of essential production,
>
>>> I doubt it. I cant imagine say Gordon Ramsey's operation ever being robot based.
>
>>> Or if you want to nit pick on your 'essential production', I doubt if say the breaking
>>> down of a cow into its components will be done entirely by robot either.
>
>> A Santa Claus Machine, named after the folkloric Santa Claus, is a
>> hypothetical machine that is capable of creating any required object
>> or structure out of any given material.
>
> I'd have to do some research to point to the article describing the
> technology. A couple of years ago I read about a guy who modified
> an HP inkjet printer to use "inks" of various types of cells. The result ...
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Author: toolytooly Date: Jul 30, 2008 06:40
> As machines assume more--eventually all--of essential production,
> humans everywhere will be left with the options of the idle rich...
> The human population will regain the opportunity to organize its life
> in more natural patterns. A greener planet is a likely result of this
> ongoing process.
>
> A fourth-generation robot, developed by 2040, will be able to accept
> statements of purpose from humans and "compile" them into detailed
> programs that accomplish the task. With a database about the world at
> large, the statements could become quite general--things like "earn a
> living," "make more robots," or "make a smarter robot."
>
> The primary job of humanity in the next century will be protecting its
> retirement benefits by ensuring continued cooperation from the robot
> industries. . . . Corporations live by building and maintaining
> physical assets that generate income to pay their expenses. In our
> proposed future, nothing prevents humans from increasing their Social
> Security income by raising corporate taxes. Taxation will surely be ...
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Author: Rod SpeedRod Speed Date: Jul 30, 2008 12:04
> Rod Speed wrote
>>> As machines assume more--eventually all--of essential production,
>> I doubt it.
> Yes, least we forget, the Essential production is that of human production.
Not really. The world would work fine without any humans.
> There is a two sided-ness to all this.
> This 'reality' is being worked on from two weighty ends of the social spectrum;
> the scientific, which sadly has become another way of saying the military,
Nope, most obviously with the human genome project and the CDC.
> and the economic which itself is a codified term used to describe corporate states.
And the hippys made an obscene gesture in that general direction and
there wasnt a damned thing any corporate state could do about that.
> The Dark Side isn't the fact that the most advanced
> robotics are being designed to kill humans
Nope, to fly aircraft and spacecraft, actually.
> coupled with the fact that this capability is being swiftly moved into private
> hands exclusively, it is the fact that this is not even on the world's scope,
> as seems to be evident in the dreamy bot future presented here.
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