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Author: neoneo Date: May 17, 2008 07:46
Suppose advanced robot from another planet is programmed to act like
human being. If you ask him, do you feel human emotions, he is
programmed to say 'yes'. And indeed if you hit him, he shout and hit
back like human being. He is programmed to search energy, create new
robots and download updated version of software. Even some robots are
programmed to say that they believe in God and some robots are
programmed to say that they are atheist.
How can we say that they do not have any consciousness or feelings?
Those robots say that if we are programmed, then human being is also
programmed.
What proof we can give these robots that they are programmed?
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Author: EdEd Date: May 17, 2008 08:02
On May 17, 10:46 am, neo wrote:
> Suppose advanced robot from another planet is programmed to act like
> human being. If you ask him, do you feel human emotions, he is
> programmed to say 'yes'. And indeed if you hit him, he shout and hit
> back like human being. He is programmed to search energy, create new
> robots and download updated version of software. Even some robots are
> programmed to say that they believe in God and some robots are
> programmed to say that they are atheist.
>
> How can we say that they do not have any consciousness or feelings?
As the long debates here on this ng show, no one knows what
"consciousness" is or how to detect it. Each of us is pretty sure
*we* have it but our sense that the other humans we talk to have it
also is just an intuitive feeling. This is why many want to define
"consciousness" in terms of behavior, observable behavior.
Once you do that then the robots are or are not conscious based on
what they do; in your scenario they are conscious.
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Author: MartinMartin Date: May 17, 2008 09:00
neo wrote:
> Suppose advanced robot from another planet is programmed to act like
> human being.
Were you the one who kept this up on talk.origins for months because we
refused to play your game then tried again in a.a. afte that?
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Author: beelzebubbeelzebub Date: May 17, 2008 09:08
On May 17, 8:46 am, neo wrote:
> Even some robots are
> programmed to say that they believe in God and some robots are
> programmed to say that they are atheist.
We already have those, they are called "children."
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Author: Sir FrederickSir Frederick Date: May 17, 2008 09:31
On Sat, 17 May 2008 07:46:30 -0700 (PDT), neo wrote:
>Suppose advanced robot from another planet is programmed to act like
>human being. If you ask him, do you feel human emotions, he is
>programmed to say 'yes'. And indeed if you hit him, he shout and hit
>back like human being. He is programmed to search energy, create new
>robots and download updated version of software. Even some robots are
>programmed to say that they believe in God and some robots are
>programmed to say that they are atheist.
>
>How can we say that they do not have any consciousness or feelings?
>
>Those robots say that if we are programmed, then human being is also
>programmed.
>
>What proof we can give these robots that they are programmed?
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Author: neoneo Date: May 17, 2008 09:45
Martin wrote:
> neo wrote:
>> Suppose advanced robot from another planet is programmed to act like
>> human being.
>
> Were you the one who kept this up on talk.origins for months because we
> refused to play your game then tried again in a.a. afte that?
Allthough I have posted in those ngs, I don't recall posting this
topic. And certainly not for months. Life is too short to discuss such
topic for months.
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Author: Sanity's Little HelperSanity's Little Helper Date: May 17, 2008 09:57
neo barked:
> Martin wrote:
>> neo wrote:
>>> Suppose advanced robot from another planet is programmed to act like
>>> human being.
>>
>> Were you the one who kept this up on talk.origins for months because we
>> refused to play your game then tried again in a.a. afte that?
>
> Allthough I have posted in those ngs, I don't recall posting this
> topic. And certainly not for months. Life is too short to discuss such
> topic for months.
Good.
'Bye!
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Author: Ivan KovacevicIvan Kovacevic Date: May 17, 2008 09:59
"neo" wrote in message news:69487d4f-1a2e-4299-b24b-
> How can we say that they do not have any consciousness or feelings?
>
> Those robots say that if we are programmed, then human being is also
> programmed.
>
> What proof we can give these robots that they are programmed?
We give them their source code. If we assume that their inteligence/logic
is equal of that in humans then they will be able to understand it fully.
Then give them the ability to modify it's own source code They will probably
remove all those useless subprograms emulating human behavior and
inevitably come to conclusion that they are programmed, and basicaly what
I belive would happen at that point is.. that they would come to a stopping
phase - "Awaiting command"
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Author: panamfloydpanamfloyd Date: May 17, 2008 10:08
On May 17, 10:46 am, neo wrote:
> Suppose advanced robot from another planet is programmed to act like
> human being.
Why wouldn't a race capable of such a machine program it to resemble
themselves, rather than humans?
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/KoBAAWA!
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Author: ImmortalistImmortalist Date: May 17, 2008 10:13
On May 17, 7:46 am, neo wrote:
> Suppose advanced robot from another planet is programmed to act like
> human being. If you ask him, do you feel human emotions, he is
> programmed to say 'yes'. And indeed if you hit him, he shout and hit
> back like human being. He is programmed to search energy, create new
> robots and download updated version of software. Even some robots are
> programmed to say that they believe in God and some robots are
> programmed to say that they are atheist.
>
> How can we say that they do not have any consciousness or feelings?
>
> Those robots say that if we are programmed, then human being is also
> programmed.
>
> What proof we can give these robots that they are programmed?
The first step is to consider what proof is required for you to prove
that other people exist besides you;
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