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Author: SeanSean Date: Mar 28, 2008 22:38
Iraq: 'Honour Killing' of teenage girl condemned as abhorrent
Posted: 02 May 2007
17-year-old Kurdish girl stoned to death
Amnesty International has condemned as 'abhorrent' the stoning to
death of a girl in a reported 'honour killing' in northern Iraq.
The girl, Du'a Khalil Aswad, aged about 17 and from the minority
Kurdish Yezidi religious group, was stoned to death last month (on or around
7 April), apparently as punishment for her relationship with a Muslim
teenager.
Du'a Khalil Aswad's murder is said to have been committed by relatives
and other Yezidi men because of her relationship with a Sunni Muslim boy and
her absence from her home for one night. Some reports suggested that she had
converted to Islam, but others deny this. She was killed by a group of eight
or nine men in the presence of a large crowd in the town of Bashika, near
the city of Mosul, northern Iraq.
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Author: ZerkonXZerkonX Date: Mar 29, 2008 06:11
On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:38:14 +1100, Sean wrote:
> disconnect from all the BS and seek
> another way in which to judge things, and your own life on planet Earth.
Good point.
I will disconnect from your rather myopic view of 'human nature' which
uses the most aberrant examples of social behavior.
Human nature is not defined by it's most extremes. If you are going to
expound on all of human nature then you must pool the extremes with
every other thing humans do also. Every act of every day. Every exchange
at every level, both among people and states. This inclusionary view
presents a much different picture.
From this maybe a 'evolutionary' trend or direction can be seen. I see
one. Most of the world sees one also, I do believe. It is away from war
and away from the examples you seem to be using to paint a picture of
normalcy.
OTOH, the US, as one example, has a 'popular' or commercial culture
saturated with violence, death, war and vengeance. Done by design or
market pressures, makes no difference here, this is indeed the BS you
talk of.
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Author: zinniczinnic Date: Mar 29, 2008 06:35
On Mar 29, 8:11 am, ZerkonX X.net> wrote:> On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:38:14 +1100, Sean wrote:
>> disconnect from all the BS and seek
>> another way in which to judge things, and your own life on planet Earth.
>
> Good point.
>
> I will disconnect from your rather myopic view of 'human nature' which
> uses the most aberrant examples of social behavior.
>
> Human nature is not defined by it's most extremes. If you are going to
> expound on all of human nature then you must pool the extremes with
> every other thing humans do also. Every act of every day. Every exchange
> at every level, both among people and states. This inclusionary view
> presents a much different picture.
>
> From this maybe a 'evolutionary' trend or direction can be seen. I see
> one. Most of the world sees one also, I do believe. It is away from war
> and away from the examples you seem to be using to paint a picture of
> normalcy. ...
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Author: SeanSean Date: Mar 29, 2008 21:43
"ZerkonX" X.net> wrote in message news:pan.2008.03.29.13.13.23@X.net...> On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:38:14 +1100, Sean wrote:
>
>> disconnect from all the BS and seek
>> another way in which to judge things, and your own life on planet Earth.
>
> Good point.
>
> I will disconnect from your rather myopic view of 'human nature' which
> uses the most aberrant examples of social behavior.
>
> Human nature is not defined by it's most extremes. If you are going to
> expound on all of human nature then you must pool the extremes with
> every other thing humans do also. Every act of every day. Every exchange
> at every level, both among people and states. This inclusionary view
> presents a much different picture.
>
> From this maybe a 'evolutionary' trend or direction can be seen. I see
> one. Most of the world sees one also, I do believe. It is away from war
> and away from the examples you seem to be using to paint a picture of ...
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Author: ZerkonXZerkonX Date: Mar 30, 2008 09:25
On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 06:35:19 -0700, zinnic wrote:
>> OTOH, the US, as one example, has a 'popular' or commercial culture
>> saturated with violence, death, war and vengeance. Done by design or
>> market pressures, makes no difference here, this is indeed the BS you
>> talk of.
>
> You excuse 'most of the world' but exclude the USA from an
> "inclusionary view" that presents a much different picture [of
> normalcy]. THAT is the real BS.
> Zinnic
The USA IS NOT the commercial culture of the USA, as the US Federal
government IS NOT America. To use your same viewpoint of the rest of the
world and turn this upon the US or any other country, Jerry Springer
would be the basis upon which to judge all of American society and all of
human nature.
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Author: ZerkonXZerkonX Date: Mar 30, 2008 10:40
On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:43:03 +1100, Sean wrote:
> Please allow me the benefit of the doubt. I obviously should have
> included the word "aspects" of human nature. My post was not about the
> all inclusiveness of ALL of human nature, and yet this appears to be
> what you seem to have taken out of the post. That is far removed from my
> intent, and the term "human nature" was only a very small section of the
> overall post. I also mentioned some shakespeare, and yet obviously it
> wasn't a post about acting or quality plays. But, such is the ways of
> the world where miniscule things are re-presented as being the all.
Let's see here...
>> The other key point is this .... justice, terrorism, radicalism,
>> fundamentalism, murder, religious justifications etc are ALL in the
>> eye of the beholder...... no matter how much you look for it, there is
>> no objective measure about who is right, who is more justified than
>> another to fight back and revenge previous killings and atrocities.
>> Just as Bush may justify the invasion of Iraq, so too do the Yazidis
>> equally justify the murder of a young woman in love with a muslim boy,
>> and so too do the Muslims justifiy their bombing of the Yazidis
>> because of their supposed actions ... and on and on it goes.
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Author: zinniczinnic Date: Mar 31, 2008 08:32
On Mar 30, 11:25 am, ZerkonX X.net> wrote:> On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 06:35:19 -0700,zinnicwrote:
>>> OTOH, the US, as one example, has a 'popular' or commercial culture
>>> saturated with violence, death, war and vengeance. Done by design or
>>> market pressures, makes no difference here, this is indeed the BS you
>>> talk of.
>
>> You excuse 'most of the world' but exclude the USA from an
>> "inclusionary view" that presents a much different picture [of
>> normalcy]. THAT is the real BS.
>>Zinnic
>
> The USA IS NOT the commercial culture of the USA, as the US Federal
> government IS NOT America. To use your same viewpoint of the rest of the
> world and turn this upon the US or any other country, Jerry Springer
> would be the basis upon which to judge all of American society and...
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Author: SeanSean Date: Apr 4, 2008 18:53
"ZerkonX" X.net> wrote in message news:pan.2008.03.30.17.40.12@X.net...> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:43:03 +1100, Sean wrote:
>
>> Please allow me the benefit of the doubt. I obviously should have
>> included the word "aspects" of human nature. My post was not about the
>> all inclusiveness of ALL of human nature, and yet this appears to be
>> what you seem to have taken out of the post. That is far removed from my
>> intent, and the term "human nature" was only a very small section of the
>> overall post. I also mentioned some shakespeare, and yet obviously it
>> wasn't a post about acting or quality plays. But, such is the ways of
>> the world where miniscule things are re-presented as being the all.
>
> Let's see here...
>
>>> The other key point is this .... justice, terrorism, radicalism,
>>> fundamentalism, murder, religious justifications etc are ALL in the
>>> eye of the beholder...... no matter how much you look for it, there is
>>> no objective measure about who is right, who is more justified than
>>> another to fight back and revenge previous killings and atrocities.
> ...
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