On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 15:27:03 -0700, Bob Eld wrote:
>
> "The Trucker"
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> news:pan.2008.06.28.20.39.03.808648@verizon.net...
>> I was recently presented with a supposed "scientific paper" that was
>> meant to prove that algae based biofuels were unscientific hokum and
>> snake oil. I was, to say the least, rather upset when I read this paper.
>> I am not a scientist and all the stuff about PAR's and joules and the
>> like was really confusing. But I think I managed to deal with all of
>> that and still find the false framing.
>>
>>
http://www.nanostring.net/Algae/CaseStudy.pdf
>>
>> In the "study" we find the following pronouncement:
>>
>> E is the Energy in the biomass
>> PAR is the energy from the sun
>> Q is the efficiencey of the conversion of sun energy to biomass energy
>>
>> W = PAR * Q
>>
>> All of this is well and good and reasonable. And then we have:
>>
>> Photosynthetic organisms use 8 photons to capture one molecule of CO2
>> carbohydrate (CH2O). Given that one mole of CH2O has a heating value of
>> 486kJ (486 kilo jules) and that the mean energy of a mole of PAR photons
>> is 217.4kJ then the maximum theoretical conversion efficiency of PAR
>> energy into CH2O is:
>>
>> 468kJ/(8 * 217.4kJ) = 27%%
>>
>> Well!!! GIVEN that the moon is made of green cheese and Pinocchio Bush
>> tells the truth then the economy is sound and stabilizing. This dude is
>> hoisting himself over a fence by grabbing his own underwear. I could not
>> find any credible source for these "givens".
>>
>> But I will leave that aside for sake of argument and just "give" him his
>> "givens".
>>
>> I am going to guess at this because that is what I do. I am not a
>> scientist. I am a poker player.
>>
>> What is missing from this frame job is that great and wonderful
>> realization in economics of the "unseen". Yes, we can "see" that these
>> photons were absorbed by the algae as the algae made these CH2O things.
>> But what happened to the rest of the energy? Did George Bush spend it on
>> imperialism? Did those thieving Democrats use it to bribe the welfare
>> bums?
>>
>> The envelope please:
>>
>> It says here that the rest of the energy bounced off or passed through
>> this particular algae or this square micrometer of algae or this bag full
>> of algae and it is still available. It did not run away and join the
>> circus. It is still available to be used by a different algae.
>> That's right! 73%% of the energy is still hopping around in the immediate
>> vicinity and available to be used by another fuel producing algae. And
>> if we can just manage to get this algae into the vicinity of this
>> available energy then it too will suck up 27%% of what is left on the way
>> to being 10%% efficient in making some fuel.
>>
>> Later in the document he uses the 27%% to produce the 10%% because we all
>> know that the algae are going to use some of the energy (some of the 27%%)
>> for reproduction and respiration. But the problem will inevitably trace
>> back to the 27%% false framing and the assumption that the rest of the
>> energy just disappeared.
>>
>> Still later in the document he speaks of the patent awarded GreenFuels
>> for a system that seems to do the conversion at more than 40%% (of the
>> 10%% or the 27%% or whatever) and accuses the patent office of malfeasance.
>> The truth is that bio-reactors _USE_ that reflected/passed through energy
>> that was not used by the first plane of algae. Even in a pond the second
>> plane of algae will use the energy that passed through the first plane.
>> Most of the energy is actually reflected and that is how we are able to
>> _see_ the pond scum.
>>
>> It seems a good probability that this guy's last job was as a consulting
>> scientist to a tobacco company. He has now been hired by the league of
>> oil and nuclear fascists to fight the competitive free market algae
>> farming economy.
>>
>> --
>> "I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers
>> of society but the people themselves; and
>> if we think them not enlightened enough to
>> exercise their control with a wholesome
>> discretion, the remedy is not to take it from
>> them, but to inform their discretion by
>> education." - Thomas Jefferson
>>
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>
> That's not the way I read it. The PAR is the energy (power) of the sunlight
> available for photosynthesis. According to this paper, that's about 100
> watts per square meter, peak I guess?
The paper makes it a "given". See above.
> The typical mid latitude insolation is
> a 1000Watts per square meter. peak power total of all wavelength. The PAR is
> only the wavelengths photo active in plants, mostly red. Therefore the PAR
> in percentage must be 100 out of 1000 or about 10%% of the total.
The PAR energy is specified in the paper.
> Now, according to this paper, the photosynthesis efficiency is about 27%%
> based on the photon-carbon dioxide analysis that you mentioned. But, that's
> 27%% of the PAR not 27%% of the total light. Therefore the overall efficiency
> must be about 2.7%%
irrelevant. The man is asserting the power derived from the PAR. And he
does not account for the energy not absorbed by a given algae/algae plane.
76%% of the PAR energy being discussed is still available.
> Now I appreciate that the paper is not peer reviewed and we haven't seen any
> scientific discussion of this, we are taking the authors word for it.
> Furthermore, there is confusion in the paper between energy and power, a
> fault NO serious scientist should make, but I think the basic premise is
> correct.
NO. The premise is that you can't produce economical biodiesel from
algae. That may actually be true, but this paper is crap.
> Typical insolation in the mid latitudes is about 5 kWHr per sq meter per
> day. That equals about 7.3 million kWHr per acre per year. Now, if the oil
> has an energy content of 40kWHr per gallon, the absolute maximum gallonage
> at 100%% efficiency equals 183,000 gallons of oil. If the photosynthesis is
> 2.7%% efficient, the gallons produced is 4927 Gallons of oil. That's where
> the 5,000 number comes from.
So if the photosynthesis is more efficient then you get more. This guy is
not telling it the way it is for the efficiency. He does not account for
all the PAR energy and just assumes it disappears.
> I have no reason to doubt this, it sounds reasonable to me. The question is,
> can this number be improved on? I think it can and have written on that.
> There are two approaches, one broadens the active PAR to include more
> wavelengths and the other shifts unused wave lengths into the PAR region.
WOW! I thought of that too, but unlike real science people I do not know
that it can be done. His "available power" is based on PAR which is the
power/energy at the prescribed wave lengths. Don't confuse the issue
with power in the whole spectrum. That is _NOT_ what he does.
--
"I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers
of society but the people themselves; and
if we think them not enlightened enough to
exercise their control with a wholesome
discretion, the remedy is not to take it from
them, but to inform their discretion by
education." - Thomas Jefferson
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