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Refuting The Dimitrov Case Study - Algae         


Author: The Trucker
Date: Jun 28, 2008 13:39

I was recently presented with a supposed "scientific paper" that was
meant to prove that algae based biofuels were unscientific hokum and
snake oil. I was, to say the least, rather upset when I read this paper.
I am not a scientist and all the stuff about PAR's and joules and the
like was really confusing. But I think I managed to deal with all of
that and still find the false framing.

http://www.nanostring.net/Algae/CaseStudy.pdf

In the "study" we find the following pronouncement:

E is the Energy in the biomass
PAR is the energy from the sun
Q is the efficiencey of the conversion of sun energy to biomass energy

W = PAR * Q

All of this is well and good and reasonable. And then we have:

Photosynthetic organisms use 8 photons to capture one molecule of CO2
carbohydrate (CH2O). Given that one mole of CH2O has a heating value of
486kJ (486 kilo jules) and that the mean energy of a mole of PAR photons
is 217.4kJ then the maximum theoretical conversion efficiency of PAR
energy into CH2O is:

468kJ/(8 * 217.4kJ) = 27%%
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Re: Refuting The Dimitrov Case Study - Algae         


Author: Bret Cahill
Date: Jun 28, 2008 13:59

For reasons known only to God and photobiologists, plants don't use
most of the light in sunlight. That's why plants are green. Plants
only want red and some blue light.

I've even suggested separating light for dual use solar, solar thermal
+ algae.

The green goes to heating the engine and the red goes to the algae.

This would also reduce the cost of cooling the algae in the summer
sun.

Bret Cahill
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Re: Refuting The Dimitrov Case Study - Algae         


Author: lorad474
Date: Jun 28, 2008 14:29

On Jun 28, 1:59Ā pm, Bret Cahill aol.com> wrote:
> For reasons known only to God and photobiologists, plants don't use
> most of the light in sunlight. Ā That's why plants are green. Ā Plants
> only want red and some blue light.
>
> I've even suggested separating light for dual use solar, solar thermal
> + algae.
>
> The green goes to heating the engine and the red goes to the algae.
>
> This would also reduce the cost of cooling the algae in the summer
> sun.
>
> Bret Cahill

Nah.. you miss Trucker's point.

In the case given no mention is made of specific spectral absorption..
just white (sun)light in and white light out.
In this case the scientific debunker claimed 73%% wastage.
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Re: Refuting The Dimitrov Case Study - Algae         


Author: Bret Cahill
Date: Jun 28, 2008 14:38

> In the case given no mention is made of specific spectral absorption..

It's factored in for the final low efficiency.
> just white (sun)light in and white light out.
> In this case the scientific debunker claimed 73%% wastage.

Sounds better than Jerusalem artichokes.
> One could assume conditions in nature that subsequent layering of
> alage in pondswould take up some of that 73%% 'wastage'.. light that
> hadn't hit chloroplasts in the highest layers.

Kind of the algae equivalent to Boeing Spectra?

Bret Cahill
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Re: Refuting The Dimitrov Case Study - Algae         


Author: Bob Eld
Date: Jun 28, 2008 15:27

"The Trucker" verizon.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2008.06.28.20.39.03.808648@verizon.net...
> I was recently presented with a supposed "scientific paper" that was
> meant to prove that algae based biofuels were unscientific hokum and
> snake oil. I was, to say the least, rather upset when I read this paper.
> I am not a scientist and all the stuff about PAR's and joules and the
> like was really confusing. But I think I managed to deal with all of
> that and still find the false framing.
>
> http://www.nanostring.net/Algae/CaseStudy.pdf
>
> In the "study" we find the following pronouncement:
>
> E is the Energy in the biomass
> PAR is the energy from the sun
> Q is the efficiencey of the conversion of sun energy to biomass energy
>
> W = PAR * Q
>
> All of this is well and good and reasonable. And then we have: ...
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Re: Refuting The Dimitrov Case Study - Algae         


Author: Bret Cahill
Date: Jun 28, 2008 15:42

> The PAR is
> only the wavelengths photo active in plants, mostly red. Therefore the PAR
> in percentage must be 100 out of 1000 or about 10%% of the total.
> Now, according to this paper, the photosynthesis efficiency is about 27%%
> based on the photon-carbon dioxide analysis that you mentioned. But, that's
> 27%% of the PAR not 27%% of the total light. Therefore the overall efficiency
> must be about 2.7%%

$4/watt Boeing Spectra concentrated-tracker PV is 40%%, $2/watt dish
Stirling is 31%% and NanoSolar is 15%%.

In other words, McCain needs to give the Stanford guy the $300 million
to develop that nanowire battery ASAP.
>If the photosynthesis is
> 2.7%% efficient, the gallons produced is 4927 Gallons of oil. That's where
> the 5,000 number comes from.

At $10 gallon that's better than strawberries.

Someone like Al Gore could care less if the unwashed masses starve.

Bret Cahill
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Re: Refuting The Dimitrov Case Study - Algae         


Author: The Trucker
Date: Jun 28, 2008 16:08

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 15:27:03 -0700, Bob Eld wrote:
>
> "The Trucker" verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:pan.2008.06.28.20.39.03.808648@verizon.net...
>> I was recently presented with a supposed "scientific paper" that was
>> meant to prove...
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Re: Refuting The Dimitrov Case Study - Algae         


Author: The Trucker
Date: Jun 28, 2008 16:14

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:29:39 -0700, lorad474 wrote:
> On Jun 28, 1:59Ā pm, Bret Cahill aol.com> wrote:
>> For reasons known only to God and photobiologists, plants don't use
>> most of the light in sunlight. Ā That's why plants are green. Ā Plants...
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Re: Refuting The Dimitrov Case Study - Algae         


Author: Duane C. Johnson
Date: Jun 28, 2008 17:06

The Trucker wrote:
> But that is the point I am trying to make:
> If you put the algae in plastic bags and suspend
> them then you get a lot of that reflected and unused
> light to do further photosynthesis. And that is
> exactly why the algae bio reactors can and do
> produce a much higher efficiency of conversion
> of the PAR to CH2O.

Basically it's not that easy.

When a molecule, any molecule, chlorophyll in this
case absorbs a photon of light it can extract only
the energy that it is "tuned" to. The excess energy
that may be in the photon is released as heat.
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Re: Refuting The Dimitrov Case Study - Algae         


Author: BretCahill
Date: Jun 28, 2008 17:20

>>> I've even suggested separating light for dual use solar, solar thermal
>>> + algae.
>
>>> The green goes to heating the engine and the red goes to the algae.
>
>>> This would also reduce the cost of cooling the algae in the summer
>>> sun.
>
>>> Bret Cahill
>
>> Nah.. you miss Trucker's point.
>
>> In the case given no mention is made of specific spectral absorption..
>> just white (sun)light in and white light out.
>> In this case the scientific debunker claimed 73%% wastage.
>
>> One could assume conditions in nature that subsequent layering of
>> alage in pondswould take up some of that 73%% 'wastage'.. light that
>> hadn't hit chloroplasts in the highest layers.
> ...
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