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Group: alt.philosophy · Group Profile
Author: turtoni
Date: Sep 18, 2008 19:58

On Sep 18, 10:44 pm, Malrassic Park hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:53:30 -0700 (PDT), turtoni
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>>"There are several possible reasons that beliefs persevere despite
>>contrary evidence. Embarrassment over having to withdraw a publicly
>>declared belief, for example, or stubbornness or hope. Tradition,
>>superstition, religion, worldview, or ideology can allow a believer to
>>give a greater weight to some data over other data.
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>>One explanation may lie in the workings of the human sensory system.
>>Human brains and senses are organised in such a manner so as to
>>facilitate rapid evaluation of social situations and others' states of
>>mind. Studies have shown that this behaviour is evident in the
>>choosing of friends and partners and houses, even though it is largely
>>subconscious. Although it can be a very fast process, the initial
>>impression has a lasting effect as a byproduct of the brain's tendency
>>to fill in the gaps of what it perceives and the unwillingness of the
>>believer to admit a mistake."
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> That is an interesting citation. I was just discussing this with
> someone else who claimed that I could not be convinced by any facts.
> But as it turns out, he is the one who cannot be convinced, and my own
> views turn around not so muchon empirical ("hard") evidence as they do
> on pointing to those presuppositions which make some facts more
> apparent or more relevant than others. For instance, when my
> interlocutor writes without showing evidence for
> what is or is not relevant, this is obviously due to a closed-minded
> and dogmatically-held bias on his part.
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> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientism
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> In his case, the closed-minded dogmatism is the effect, not of any
> fact, but of a theory known as scientism. And I have tried to argue
> that he would only consider those facts relevant to scientism's
> presuppositions, even when I offer citation after citation
> demonstrating to him that he has been partially blinded by these
> dogmatic presuppositions. And in fact his apparently great respect
> for the facts is not based upon any facts at all, but on a kind of
> science-worshipping religion.
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> But the Scientism article cited above points out a possible fallacy in
> employing it merely as a pejorative label. It would of course be
> necessary to prove scientism, and fortunately this is very easy to do.
> One can easily see the scientism in efforts to merely dismiss
> contrary, or perhaps just novel, ideas as irrelevant with the mere
> "wave of a hand": philosophy -- "irrelevant"; religion --
> "irrelevant"; any opinions besides my own -- "irrelevant."
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> The danger with simply using the term "scientism" pejoratively is the
> fact that science has many brilliant and astoundingly good things to
> say -- except when it engages in scientism, where it then brings
> itself down to the intellectual level of the simple-minded and
> religious, and what passes for philosophy, the highest of all the
> sciences and the apex of reason itself, becomes nothing more than a
> few tidbits of childish rationalizations passed down from father to
> son or from professor to student.

Seems like a reasonable point of view.

"Philosophy is the study of general problems concerning matters such
as existence, knowledge, truth, justice, beauty, validity, mind, and
language. Philosophy is distinguished from other ways of addressing
these questions (such as mysticism or mythology) by its critical,
generally systematic approach and its reliance on reasoned argument.
The word philosophy is of Ancient Greek origin: meaning "love of
knowledge," "love of wisdom."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy
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> " If I had remembered that the name 'Galt' appears
> in one of her books, I would have chosen a different
> name for my character."
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> Stephen R. Donaldson, "Gradual Interview"- Hide quoted text -
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