On Dec 17, 10:35 pm, Ledraychere
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yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>> On Dec 17, 4:08 pm, "Miller"
chartermi.net> wrote:>
>>> "brian fletcher"
bigpond.net.au> wrote in message>
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>>>>> To Everyone :
>>>>> The issue of reality has been
>>>>> much discussed in the recent posts
>>>>> I have visited . I seems to be a topic
>>>>> of much interest . I just thought I'd
>>>>> put up a post so those who wish to
>>>>> might take part .
>>>>> Here's my position . Truth may ,
>>>>> in this context be described as objective
>>>>> reality . Subjective reality , not only
>>>>> exists as well , but is crucial to the
>>>>> programming of each living thing . It
>>>>> is impossible to continue the existence
>>>>> of living things without subjective
>>>>> reality being included in the program .
>>>>> When you are searching for truth
>>>>> however , you must learn to distinguish
>>>>> between the two . This is the secret
>>>>> to learning the truth about anything .
>>>>> Now I wish to make an a separate
>>>>> point here . Many people have tried
>>>>> to come up with a definition that might
>>>>> distinguish mankind from the other
>>>>> animals which exist and frankly no one
>>>>> has been able to write a suitable
>>>>> definition for all to be satisfied . So ,
>>>>> I thought I'd take my shot here on
>>>>> pretty firm ground .
>>>>> My distinguishing definition is this .
>>>>> I believe that mankind is the only
>>>>> life form in existence on earth which
>>>>> can create it's own subjective reality .
>>>>> In fact , that's what we do all the
>>>>> time . I could take a cheap shot here
>>>>> and say Brian is particularly good at
>>>>> this but if I did , he'd never let me
>>>>> hear the last of it . So instead .
>>>>> I'll just give the prize to whichever
>>>>> BORG is listening . So long for
>>>>> now . This is real fun .
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>>>>> Ledraychere
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>>>> "Fear not" ...for mighty dread had seized their troubled mind :-). Seasons
>>>> greetings!!!
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>>>> What I always find both amusing and confirming, is many people working on
>>>> the group consciousness (whom I admire btw), actually pay me a complement
>>>> when they think they are criticising.
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>>>> You are correct, I am becoming better at being me (the subjective self).
>>>> The principle goal for all of us.
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>>>> A definition for you to chew on. Objective (or shared) reality, is a
>>>> collaboration between people of similar conscious awareness. They 'see'
>>>> others with a similar pov and feel validated. The law of synchronicity at
>>>> work.This is also observable when someone leaves the "group". "For us to
>>>> be right, he MUST be wrong, so we will treat him
>>>> accordingly....examplified when one 'moves on' from religious groupings.
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>>>> This group consciousness also works in the animal kingdom, beautifully
>>>> illustrated when watching a flight of flying in formation.
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>>>> Each goose doesnt know its a goose, but knows where it belongs. I admire
>>>> geese also ...
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>>>> I agree, this is great fun and I am enjoying your contribution. Keeps me
>>>> sharp also !!!
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>>>> BOfL
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>>> Good observations Brian. But not sure if geese actually reflect on its
>>> place when in formation, or it's just "being there". (I think more likely
>>> the latter).
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>>> Scott-
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>> In complexity theory, or chaos theory, some researcher would say that
>> bird flocking is based upon "being there" and just having a number of
>> rules for reacting to the birds flying nearby, not being concerned
>> about the birds further way in the flock. The text below describes how
>> simple rules can emerge walking behavior.
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>> ...Brooks's ideas gelled in a cockroachlike contraption the size of a
>> football called "Genghis." Brooks had pushed his downsizing to an
>> extreme. Genghis had six legs but no "brain" at all. All of its 12
>> motors and 21 sensors were distributed in a decomposable network
>> without a centralized controller. Yet the interaction of these 12
>> muscles and 21 sensors yielded an amazingly complex and lifelike
>> behavior.
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>> Each of Genghis's six tiny legs worked on its own, independent of the
>> others. Each leg had its own ganglion of neural cells-a tiny
>> microprocessor-that controlled the leg's actions. Each leg thought for
>> itself! Walking for Genghis then became a group project with at least
>> six small minds at work. Other small semiminds within its body
>> coordinated communication between the legs. Entomologists say this is
>> how ants and real cockroaches cope-they have neurons in their legs
>> that do the leg's thinking.
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>> In the mobot Genghis, walking emerges out of the collective behavior
>> of the 12 motors. Two motors at each leg lift, or not, depending on
>> what the other legs around them are doing. If they activate in the
>> right sequence-Okay, hup! One, three, six, two, five, four!-walking
>> "happens."
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>> No one place in the contraption governs walking. Without a smart
>> central controller, control can trickle up from the bottom. Brooks
>> called it "bottom-up control." Bottom-up walking. Bottom-up smartness.
>> If you snip off one leg of a cockroach, it will shift gaits with the
>> other five without losing a stride. The shift is not learned; it is an
>> immediate self-reorganization. If you disable one leg of Genghis, the
>> other legs organize walking around the five that work. They find a new
>> gait as easily as the cockroach.
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>> In one of his papers, Rod Brooks first laid out his instructions on
>> how to make a creature walk without knowing how:
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>> There is no central controller which directs the body where to put
>> each foot or how high to lift a leg should there be an obstacle ahead.
>> Instead, each leg is granted a few simple behaviors and each
>> independently knows what to do under various circumstances. For
>> instance, two basic behaviors can be thought of as "If I'm a leg and
>> I'm up, put myself down, " or "If I'm a leg and I'm forward, put the
>> other five legs back a little." These processes exist independently,
>> run at all times, and fire whenever the sensory preconditions are
>> true. To create walking then, there just needs to be a sequencing of
>> lifting legs (this is the only instance where any central control is
>> evident). As soon as a leg is raised it automatically swings itself
>> forward, and also down. But the act of swinging forward triggers all
>> the other legs to move back a little. Since those legs happen to be
>> touching the ground, the body moves forward.
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>> Once the beast can walk on a flat smooth floor without tripping, other
>> behaviors can be added to improve the walk. For Genghis to get up and
>> over a mound of phone books on the floor, it needs a pair of sensing
>> whiskers to send information from the floor to the first set of legs.
>> A signal from a whisker can suppress a motor's action. The rule might
>> be, "If you feel something, I'll stop; if you don't, I'll keep going."
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>> While Genghis learns to climb over an obstacle, the foundational
>> walking routine is never fiddled with. This is a universal biological
>> principle that Brooks helped illuminate-a law of god: When something
>> works, don't mess with it; build on top of it. In natural systems,
>> improvements are "pasted" over an existing debugged system. The
>> original layer continues to operate without even being (or needing to
>> be) aware that it has another layer above it.
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>> When friends give you directions on how to get to their house, they
>> don't tell you to "avoid hitting other cars" even though you must
>> absolutely follow this instruction. They don't need to communicate the
>> goals of lower operating levels because that work is done smoothly by
>> a well-practiced steering skill. Instead, the directions to their
>> house all pertain to high-level activities like navigating through a
>> town.
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>> Animals learn (in evolutionary time) in a similar manner. As do
>> Brooks's mobots. His machines learn to move through a complicated
>> world by building up a hierarchy of behaviors, somewhat in this order:
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>> Avoid contact with objects
>> Wander aimlessly
>> Explore the world
>> Build an internal map
>> Notice changes in the environment
>> Formulate travel plans
>> Anticipate and modify plans accordingly
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>> The Wander-Aimlessly Department doesn't give a hoot about obstacles,
>> since the Avoidance Department takes such good care of that.
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> To Immortalist :
> I don't know or care much about theories .
> My guess is most will eventually be proven false .
> But I did like your contribution to the posted list
> here . Reality is what it's all about and in
> my view , anything which helps reveal it is OK
> with me . I have no fear of any discovery any
> man may make with respect to either truth
> or reality . It's going to take several hundred
> years for science to confirm the things I've
> learned . So it's not going to do anything for
> me except get me a couple of lines in an
> almanac printed sometime around the year
> 3227 AD . But hey , having fun with you guys
> is what it's all about now .
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That you don't care much about theories, is theoretical. Everything we
can think of is theoretical, even this sentence.
