> In article <9033d844-e352-4308-a67b-7af0f605a...@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
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>>On Jul 14, 11:36=A0am, On The Highways and Bi-Ways God Built
>>Yahoo.com> wrote:

>>> In article <834l74tho3r6058frh9dt2v2bic9bi7...@4ax.com>, Beau Blue says..=

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>>>>On The Highways and Bi-Ways God Built Yahoo.com> wrote:

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>>>>>In article 4ax.com>, Beau Blue says=

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>>>>>>>The divide
>>>>>>>grew between the two as time went on as I listened to his repetitions=

>> of 'yes we

>>>>>>>can' backed by little substance. It made me nervous.

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>>>>>>Well, instead of just listening, K .. maybe you should go to his
>>>>>>website and read the substance of his positions. Read about his health
>>>>>>care plan, (not as good as Hillary's, true - but the plan HAS
>>>>>>substance and is a whole lot more palatable than what McCain talks
>>>>>>about), his positons on defense, energy and the =A0environment, senior=

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>>>>>>and social security, and any of 30 other issues, from Defence to
>>>>>>Women's issues. Each write up is comprehensive, substantive and a damn
>>>>>>site better than anything the Repugs are touting (more of the same as
>>>>>>the last 8 years). This "backed by little substance" is classic Repug
>>>>>>dogmatic attack shit they hurl at everybody that's a Dem that runs
>>>>>>against 'em.

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>>>>>>So, you vote for Obama in the primaries and then start quoting Repug
>>>>>>propaganda out the side of your face now that he's got the nomination
>>>>>>and you're too hurt for Hillary losing?

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>>>>>>Your "backed by little substance" indicates that you don't know how to
>>>>>>read, but I know better - so it must be spite and spit to make sure he
>>>>>>loses the general cause you're too angry a women can't be Pres this
>>>>>>time around. =A0

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>>>>>>Go read what's on his website! Or continue to spit and cry, I don't
>>>>>>really care. But while you cry, realize what it is you're really
>>>>>>crying about .. and it AIN'T Obama's lack of substance. Lie to
>>>>>>yourself if you must, but don't lie to me .. I can read what's posted
>>>>>>to a website. =A0If YOU can't, well ... =A0

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>>>>>>-blue

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>>>>>Hi, Blue,

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>>>>GB,

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>>> sir.

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>>>>In the primaries I voted for Hillary. Karla for Obama. I support Obama
>>>>now. Karla supports the old white guy.

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>>> i'm not sure if that's the case, i can't speak for Ms. Karla, but i know =

>>Jeanne

>>> has been an ardent Hillary supporter since day one, and i thought Ms. K w=

>>as as

>>> well, but i've been away, so i can't speak for Ms. K, but i'm pretty sure=

>> Ms.

>>> Jeanne voted for Ms. Hillary.

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>>> all parties are free to correct me, since i HAVE been away for a bit.

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>>>>I was disappointed that Karla, Jeanne, and thousands of others voted
>>>>for Obama. THEY defeated Hillary.

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>>> Obama has been an fascinating study for me. being close to the Bay Area, =

>>you

>>> might have heard stories and remembered remnants of Gavin Newsom's first =

>>run for

>>> mayor here in SF in 2003, when he ran against the highly idiotic Matt Gon=

>>zalez.

>>> no one really knew what Gonzalez stood for, even his supporters. people w=

>>ho

>>> supported just him sort of projected their own aspirations into him. much=

>> like

>>> they're doing with Obama now. all flavors of his supporters sort of see h=

>>im as

>>> believing in what they believe in, when there's no evidence that he stron=

>>gly

>>> believes in anything except that he would like to be president.

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>>>>That's what they wanted. NOW,
>>>>they're deserting Obama and helping the Repugs. I can only assume that
>>>>was their plan all along. Obama had lots of Repug supporters during
>>>>the primaries, too, that'll now vote for McCain. Yep, lots of Dem
>>>>supporters, like Karla, who didn't want Hillary THEN and won't support
>>>>Obama NOW. it all looks like typical Repug bargaining-in-bad-faith to
>>>>me.

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>>> again, Ms. Karla and Ms. Jeanne may correct me if i'm wrong on this, but =

>>i was

>>> fairly sure they were both Hillary supporters from the beginning.

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>>>>But I gave up a while ago trying to figure out why Dems are sooooo
>>>>stupid. It must be a condition of belonging to the party.

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>>> i don't know. if i was in charge of the DNC, i would make sure that we st=

>>udied

>>> the WINNING strategies of Bill Clinton and James Carville during the 1992=

>> and

>>> 1996 elections. remember those? ya know, where the Dems actually won?

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>>> and i would never let Howard Dean become chair of the DNC. that's like in=

>>viting

>>> your insane brother to manage your retirement fund.

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>>>>So now, I'm resigned to four more years of war and torture and
>>>>continuous profiteering at the middle's expense. Hillary could have
>>>>won the general election, we all know that. It was KARLA, and others
>>>>like her, who saw to it that she didn't get to the general election
>>>>and now they're seing to it that Obama loses that election.

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>>> indeed.

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>>>>Karla and Jeanne and a whole bunch of other Dems want old
>>>>white guys running things. Period. It's what they know and understand.
>>>>It's safe. Disgusting, but safe. They didn't vote for the woman in the
>>>>primaries and won't vote for the black man in the general. Presto!
>>>>White guy wins again. And for that, us old white guy Dems, who just
>>>>want the American dream back, will have to endure 4 more years of
>>>>Repug tyranny. It's sad.

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>>>>I blame Karla, you know?

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>>> again, Blue, i was really under the impression that Ms. J and Ms. K voted=

>> for

>>> Hillary in the primaries.

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>>> Most sincerely,

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>>> GodBuilt

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>>> There Will Be Blood

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>>GodBuilt,

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>>You are correct and Blue is wrong about who I voted for
>>and will vote for. He does not read what I write. Old
>>white guys are like that...;> CA was carried by Hillary
>>and no vote for Obama by Karla or anyone who believed
>>he was a change politician at the time undoes that.

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> this is what i thought, and sorry i might have doubted you, i just wondered
> where Blue got the idea you had voted for Obama in March????
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> and there are many Obama supporters who are quite disappointed with his actions
> of recent weeks, and wondering where the Great Agent of Change has gone?
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> Most sincerely,
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> GodBuilt
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>>Our CA delegates supported Hillary then and if you look
>>athttp://www.together4us.com/index.html
>>you may see that Hillary supporters want to ensure
>>her/our issues are not overlooked as Obama moves
>>forward to November. Blaming Karla is not appropriate
>>because she has been helpful to Hillary thereafter.

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>>I have no intention to vote for an old white guy, whether
>>his name is Blue or John. I will continue to annoy DNC
>>relative to the awarding of 59 Michigan delegates including
>>4 of the 73 Hillary earned when they ignored the voters,
>>assumed the uncommitted were for Obama and thereby
>>increased Obama's delegate count so the me-toos could
>>rush in and warp the delegate count further. This method
>>of penalizing Michigan votes was wrong and unprecedented.
>>Their half price penalty for Florida was bad enough, but this
>>arbitrary assignment of delegates by the state party members
>>was wrong. Denver's credential committee ought rectify that.
>>Mail today from Obama's group shows he has Hillary's list
>>which includes David and me. David sent dollars by mail;
>>I used the site until I maxed out--a first in my life for any
>>candidate and I've made no contributions yet to Obama
>>as SV boyos are working the system to take care of him.
>>I look forward to the Hillary T Shirt and deciding who among
>>my friends and relatives deserves it as I do not do T shirts,
>>I do blice from Eddie Bauer's sales of wrinkle resistant blice
>>which btw my local cleaner launders like a man's shirt for
>>my !.00 coupons collected from ago because I showed that
>>women's blice are the same as men's shirts and I ought not
>>be charged thrice over for the same type shirt. Hillary would
>>laugh and get the point, but old white guys who have not a
>>clue about the cost of condoms even when they discard
>>a crippled first wife and marry an heiress to a beer empire
>>would not see why my getting my blice done for the same
>>price (ought even be less, it is smaller..;>) as a like man's
>>shirt is a victory worth celebrating, like when I got the Feds
>>and the state to agree that couples ought decide vice the gov't
>>as to whose name will be first on tax returns. Mine is since
>>I fought them post the audit of my '82 return--all of which is to
>>say, Hillary supporters are an odd feisty lot that ought not
>>be counted out. Some of us are descended from battle axe
>>carrying woman warriors who like Druids and no old men
>>in long dresses prescribing religion which hobbled women's
>>feet more than merely breaking them as the Japanese did
>>for chuckles and a grand geisha. Ask about JR's mother about
>>whom I heard a little elsewhere and decided another feisty broad
>>is none too many and delighted that she like me voted for Hillary
>>as did many wise and thoughtful men like Stuart and JR. for
>>example. Blue's assumptions are just that. Wrong, but then
>>as attractive as he is in my recollection, he is the old white guy
>>he assumes bright broads might vote for if they were named McCain,
>>not so. Ever.

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>>Jeanne

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