In article
4ax.com>, Beau Blue says...>
>Karla
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>>>In article <486215DF.2040103@
skypoint.com>, Dale Houstman says...
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>>>
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>>>ggamble wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Dale Houstman"
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>>>> news:48618E33.90206@skypoint.com...
>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ggamble wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Michigan and Florida delegations attempted to move the dates of
>>>>>> their primaries against the rules of the DNC.
>>>>>> They chose to ignore the rules. The DNC had to enforce the rules,
>>>>>> they had no choice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The 50/50 delegate distribution was a compromise designed to not
>>>>>> disenfranchise the voters.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How on earth can you hold on to this vast democratic party gender
>>>>>> conspiracy theory by saying they *delivered to him on cue*.?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sometimes the candidates we support don't win and we have to move on.
>>>>>> Life and politics are full of compromises, there is no such thing as
>>>>>> a perfect candidate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you telling me that you're not going to cast a vote for President
>>>>>> in November because the person you supported in the primaries didn't
>>>>>> win the nomination?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hillary and Bill are supporting Obama, what do you know that they don't?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hell, I haven't voted since Carter because I'm an ex-pat, but I'm
>>>>>> voting in this one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Voting has been a non-issue for me forever now, but I have two reasons
>>>>> to vote this year: despite whatever general qualms I have about the
>>>>> existence of invisible entrenched power overriding the effectiveness
>>>>> of any political vote, I think I want to be a part of this
>>>>> socio-cultural marvel. also, in my state, Al Franken is going up
>>>>> against that human worm Norm Coleman, and I've voted against Norm
>>>>> every chance I've gotten.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hillary was a dollop of old machinery lead. I wouldn't have have
>>>>> walked two feet to vote for her.
>>>>>
>>>>> dmh
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I hear ya, Dale, regarding the marvel of it all.
>>>>
>>>> Who would've thought that anything would've bumped us both out of our
>>>> cynicism.
>>>>
>>>> Well, not totally, and not really cynicism, but you know what I mean.
>>>>
>>>> Al Franken and Jesse Ventura?
>>>> What kind of freak show are you running up there?
>>>> heh
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Next year, an old Wayne Newton impressionist is running against a milk
>>>carton juggling trannie for mayor of Floodville...
>>>
>>>As for Obama, let's just say he represents - for me - a fresh angle on
>>>the soon-to-be disappointing. you gotta take your thrills where you can
>>>get them. Hillary? I seriously don't understand the excitement over her
>>>candidacy: she's a career shyster (a bad one by all accounts) and - as
>>>the campaign revealed - one not above shoveling racism to stoke the
>>>fires. Her getting behind that totally ridiculous "gas tax holiday"
>>>idea, and quoting Karl Rove...well, that just frosted the pop-tart for
>>>me. And the idea that she was "pushed out" is pure mirage.
>>>
>>>dmh
>>
>>So much to say, so little time (I'm off for vacation), but...
>>
>>Oh my, such a fresh angle the O has on FISA! Pander on now that you're the
>>nominee.
>>
>>And when it sounds good, the O agrees to campaign financing, and when he's the
>>nominee does a 180.
>>
>>The O now flips on NAFTA - indeed such a fresh angle.
>>
>>His moving the DNC to Chicago. Now THAT is a fresh angle. It's a
>>poem-in-waiting, Dale. The Dem's Descent. Only the O could get away with
>>marrying the party to the Chicago machine.
>>
>>About that machine... how refreshingly different the O is. His first senate race
>>won without a fight because he challenged every prospective candidate on rules
>>such as signatures printed and not signed in cursive; signature gatherers
>>credentials; any possible impropiety. Once there were 4, then there was only the
>>O.
>>
>>Cross your heart and hope to die O's ties to Rezko stay buried.
>>
>>I voted for the O on Super Tuesday. I hadn't done my homework and like you,
>>wanted that fresh angle. At that time, Hillary hadn't separated her public self
>>from Bill for me. I stand corrected. She's a politician but at least I know what
>>she's done in the Senate, what she represents, what to expect. All sex aside.
>>She is the better candidate. Damn, but we've been bamboozled once again.
>>
>>Karla
>
>Well then, Karla, you're gonna havta vote for the old white guy, huh?
Hi Beau,
Well, technically, Obama can still lose the nomination so we'll see. If
everything stays the same and Obama officially becomes the Democratic nominee,
I'll have some Tums on hand in November when I vote for him.
I responded to Dale's description of Obama as refreshing. Yes, he speaks better
than Bush, but then my cat Bella can make the same claim. I too thought he was
something different. I wanted him to be something different. He's not, and
unlike Blogland, I knew it soon after he pulled the race card on Senator
Clinton.
>He'll see to it that we're in Iraq for a hundred years, that torture
>will continue to be used as an acceptable interrogation method, that
>Halliburton doesn't lose any of its no-bid contracts, that tax cuts go
>to oil companies, that women lose their right to choose and that the
>Patriot Act will become entrenched Presidential power. What a thrill,
>huh?
Granted, I've been away a couple of weeks and have an advantage knowing how
Obama and Clinton voted on FISA. But, aren't you a little worried about Obama
and those very issues?
We were watching the media raucus about Obama's qualifying his Iraqi troop
withdrawal timetable. My brother, a self-described Independent, thought that the
Lightbringer's qualification was no different than McCain's.
After Obama's FISA vote, I can't be sure of his stands on torture.
And if it benefits him, the Lightbringer will leave Halliburton in place. Why do
I think so? His hypocrisy on lobbyists.
"But last year, at the request of a hired representative for an Australian-owned
chemical corporation Nufarm, Obama introduced nine separate bills exempting the
company from import fees on a range of chemical ingredients it uses in the
manufacture of pesticides and herbicides. Nufarm's U.S. subsidiary is based in
Illinois."
and
"In early May of 2006, two Washington lobbyists registered to work on behalf of
Astellas Pharma, a Japanese-owned drug company which also has offices in
Illinois.
"The lobbyists' task? "Introduce legislation to temporarily suspend customs
duties for the importation of a pharmaceutical ingredient," they wrote on their
lobbying forms. Less than three weeks later, the men had earned their $20,000
fee, thanks to Obama. On May 26, he introduced S. 3155, a bill specifically
exempting Astellas' key ingredient from tariff payments."
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/07/despite-rhetori.html
>All because 'the O', as you label him, is a "typical politician"? No.
>Because you're hurt that Hillary was rejected even tho' you helped
>reject her.
You've reached the wrong conclusion. I voted for Obama in the California
primary. I found out more information and changed my mind. Please support your
rather sexist remark that I'm hurt about Hillary. Puh-lease! Do you really think
that or is it an Obama talking point to belittle legitimate concerns about the
sold out Democratic party?
>Cut off your nose, woman, for your disappointment. Blind yourself to
>his call for change with your glass-ceiling tears. Turn a deaf ear to
>'the O's' proposals for your want of an old white guy who'll shout
>'straight-talk' while emulating 'the W'.
Ya, sounds like an Obama talking point.
Change we can believe in? Uh, about what? That's all I'm saying, Beau. It's
another crappy election year.
>Hillary may well have been the better candidate, who knows. But she
>lost the race for the nomination. Americans, how idiotic of them to
>choose someone you don't like. How could they?!!
Wasn't it interesting that the RBC decided to punish only Florida and Michigan?
Isn't it interesting that Obama moved the DNC to Chicago? And why do they want
to stop the roll call in Denver?
>Now you have a different choice, Karla. You too, Jeanne. Quit saving
>spit and start wondering what the results of 'the O' being elected
>President will accomplish. And think about what a McCain term (Bush
>3?) in office will accomplish. This shouldn't even be close - but for
>the tears of old white women and the idiocy of evangelical christians.
It was actually a long-haired radical Pennsylvania guy who brought tears to my
eyes when he reminded his listeners:
"And all these years later I still value my community development education and
my degree from the counterculture school of hard knocks. The lessons of Kent
State, My Lai, and the mean streets of Chicago under the first Mayor Richard
Daley remain a part of my pledge of allegiance to real change I can believe in.
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