On Jun 27, 11:12 am, "jeannek...@
aol.com"
aol.com> wrote:> On Jun 27, 6:57 am, Amanda Reid
arvig.net> wrote:
>
>
>>> On Jun 26, 2:59 am, Dale Houstman
skypoint.com> wrote:>
>>> Amanda Reid wrote:
>>>> On Jun 25, 7:45 pm, "ggamble"
you.net> wrote:>
>>>>>So far, you have: Dale, Blue and myself (all of us at that far end of the
>>>>>curmudgeon scale) more or less enthusiastically endorsing Obama; Jeanne and
>>>>>Karla uh, hating Obama, but not saying whether they'll vote, not vote, or
>>>>>vote for someone else; and I'm not quite sure where Dennis stands.
>
>>>> I stand foursquare before you to stand behind you.
>>>> I wholeheartedly endorse education for the intelligent and stupidity
>>>> for the stupid -- it's /so/ much cheaper in the short run, and /
>>>> infinitely/ cheaper than a car designed by an enginer who can't even
>>>> spell it.
>>>> Not to mention a "government."
>>>> I am a strong proponent of National Insurance -- or State Fume,
>>>> American Formaldehyde, Prude Dental, or small lizards -- provided the
>>>> choice to insure is up to the insured, and not up to a little boy (or
>>>> girl, let's be Fair) with a Degree in coc... ah, Political "Science."
>>>> I am absolutely for Universal Socialised Medicine -- the kind /
>>>> everybody/ can get out of a bottle for $3.95 for 500 tablets at Wal-
>>>> Mart or $10.95 a liter at Happy Harry's.
>>>> d00d, it don't get no more social than that.
>
>>> The reason "socialized medicine" works is precisely due to what even
>>> Newt Gingrich (in one of his many unguarded moments) said: it provides
>>> the largest possible pool of participants - everyone.
>
>> As with all mandatory "insurance," "socialised" medicine rewards the
>> chronically sick (or hypochondriac) at the expense of the well -- just
>> another resentful proposal by the bottom of the gene pool to eat their
>> betters.
>
>>> "Opting out" is a
>>> recipe for disaster. It isn't so strange or foreign - this "socialist"
>>> thing - society provides many services using exactly the same formula:
>>> police, firemen, transportation, education. Why? Because a real
>>> civilization realizes that some things are best shared, and that it
>>> behooves some of us to sacrifice a little so that many of us can have a
>>> lot, and - what's more - the same.
>
>> How very droll. Next (cf. Second Thermogoddamics or the psychopathy
>> of protestantism), you'll be insisting that it "behooves" "some of us"
>> to sacrifice /everything/ so that many of you can have just a little
>> of...
>> Oh.
>> Wait.
>> Right over here is $4.00 gasoline, right over here is $3.33
>> hamburger (in the bulk pack; the one-pounder is $3.59/pound).
>> And right over there is Arlington National Cemetery.
>
>>> I'm afraid your formula is no more
>>> than glib...Allowing someone whose house hasn't burnt (yet), or someone
>>> who hasn't been mugged (yet), to "opt out" of paying for those services
>
>> What "services" are you talking about?
>> I have yet to be mugged by a private citizen, whereas I've been
>> mugged five times by "police" on the "orders" of minors and three
>> times on the "orders" of servants.
>> As for a fire "department," I've put out more public fires for them
>> (five) than they've put out for me (none).
>
>>> just because they "feel lucky" renders the service useless for those who
>>> are not so lucky - which might include them in the future.
>
>> BTW, how did "police" invade a discussion that was about "insurance"?
>> Are you actually /admitting/ that "police" are "insurance" for the
>> bottom of the gene pool only -- i.e., for "police" and their priests?
>
>>> The "rugged individualist" while an enduring and often endearing
>>> caricature of an American type, is essentially a myth,
>
>> Poor little protestant. Nobody can "make" /you/ learn anything, can
>> they.
>> Oh, the Powower.
>
>>> and - I think -
>>> basically a damaging one in the long haul. The original settlers were
>>> not "rugged individualists," the West wasn't (tamed/slaughtered) by
>>> "rugged individualists" and not much else on a civilization level was
>>> done by "rugged individualists":
>
>> Penicillin, smallpox vaccine, antisepsis, Sopwith Camel, Ryan "Spirit
>> of St. Louis," Wright Cyclone, Fifth Symphony (Beethoven, Sibelius,
>> Mahler, Shubert, Haydn, Mozart, Tchaikovsky), Drake's Folly (oil
>> well), Fulton's Folly (steamboat), Otto's engine, Watt's engine,
>> Faraday's motor, vulcanised rubber, light bulb, record player,
>> Macintosh, Zilog (designer of the first four Intels), P-51 (Edgar
>> Schmued, 30 days from demand specification to first flight), Clarence
>> Birdseye, Isaac Stern, William Shakespeare, Vladimir Horowitz, Paul
>> Simon, John Moses Browning, Samuel Colt, Ransom E. Olds, Robert Frost,
>> Robert Schockley, Lee DeForrest, Sidney Camm, R.J. Mitchell, Margaret
>> Mead, L.S.B. Leakey, Pierre Rodin, Konrad Lorenz, Joseph Campbell,
>> Malcomb Campbell...
>
>> ...um... oya, Prometheus.
>
>> You bore me, liver-picker.
>> Remember the Alamo, but only if you want a cheap rental.
>
>>> enacting a society-wide healthcare
>>> system will not preclude a future Johnny Cowboy from thinking individual
>>> thoughts - it will just provide a modicum of security and wellbeing in
>>> which Johnny Cowboy can live out his fantasies of "roaming the purple
>>> sage"...
>
>> Do that a lot, do you. Or are you too chicken even to have the
>> fantasy without a lot of CGI help?
>
>>> dmh
>
>> Trouble is that human beings do not resurrect ("give birth to") human
>> beings.
>> Human beings resurrect lesser cannibal rug-maggots.
>> (So do lesser cannibal rug-maggots, who can breed without ever
>> growing up, indeed without ever getting all the way through the First
>> Axiom of being, or why you have only "five senses.")
>> Empty tubes of warm Spam with a sucker on one end and a crapper on
>> the other.
>> It is so gratifying to see that you have yet to figure out which end
>> of the tube is which.
>> And at your age...
>
>> Your problem is that /nobody/ inherits civilisation.
>> You inherit the /ruins/ of civilisation, beginning with yourself.
>> And you can't afford the heating bill of either one.
>> And this terrifies you.
>> And so, because you are having a *feeling*, you offer to shoot up
>> the playground...
>
>> Oh. Wait. That would take a "rugged individualist," wouldn't it.
>> You offer to /"authorise"/ your boyfriends to shoot up the
>> playground.
>
> Amanda,
>
> I recognized the poet after I saw a red leaf carrier as leopards do
> not change spots. But then I've been a Carlin fan and his death
> slowed me a tad.
>
> I do not object to Vets receiving subsidies which ensure they
O, Jeanne, O Dale, O all the Gods of Little Tobacco Shops,
Why do two fully-paid up insurance policies (VA, SSDI), suddenly
become "subsidies" when it suits the Other Side to reclassify?
Are they "subsidies" because they were "sold" me at gunpoint ago, or
are they "subsidies" because those who "calculated" the actuaries were
Degreed in the likes of Holmes, Keynes, Veblen, and Gresham?
I am reasonably certain even without reference to a statistical
universe and using sound bites as anthropological CSI Numbered Floor
Markers that a "subsidy" would have kept pace with the Cost Of Living,
while those with Ponderous Capitalist Insurance Annuities will rather
deliberately be left to fend for themselves as the Law rather
desperately decrees Whatever The Baby Wants.
In the last five years, my COLA has skyrocketed a whole 5.3%% while
gasoline, meats, canned goods, and the Taxable Valuation have flatly
doubled.
Meanwhile, back at the oasis, the Arab boys were eating their dates...
Tuesday last, [unidentifiable] and his [garbled] had a baby boy who
lived a whole fourteen hours for a net cost to the County and State of
well over $35,000.
A boy in similar case -- 1 lb., 12 oz. (the first joint of my left
thumb was bigger than his entire hospital handprint, which included
several extra fingers' worth of tubing and ties) -- lived without
complications beyond the fairly-necessary extended stay under an O.T.
And a spanking 7-lb.-plus son of a father in the same waiting room
died for Fucken Nobody Knows Why.
"If people go down to the end of the town,, What Can Anyone Do?"
"Fuck 'Em All,
Fuck 'Em All,
Fuck the Long, and the Short, and the Tall..."
Well, I leaned on my stick and stood before them to stand behind them
while they stood before the relatives to stand behind them and Agree
that What Can Anyone Do, and a *blah* *blah* *blah* time was had by
all complete with Cell-phone Jaypegs and rather a few kids in Car
Buckets.
AndI took 'em and my exes, all being Tapped Out, to Chinese, and we
Sat to Take the Next Step and Agreed that the World was still worth
Chewing On Anyway.
And They went Thataway, and They went Thisaway and dropped me off
where I stood scratching my cat and wondering where the FUCK I put
those Montecristos that arrived only last week.
(The Problem with putting anything into the Memory...)
And he and his brother will carry his son to the hole tomorrow as he
and his brother carried the brother's daughter all too motherfuken
briefly ago.
Some shit you just can't fuken write POMES about.
So we'll cut the grass with a boulevard Zoom-Zoom and a boulevard
string trimmer we repaired with Other Available Junk, and work on our
boats (two $20,000 Larsons the Rich let rot) and motors (two 40-hp
Evinrude Larks the Rich ripped the guts out of), and come the Fourth,
the White Men will Burn Meat Real Good on a couple of boulevard
barbecues the Rich didn't care to change to the New Valves.
NOBODY, O Best Beloved, needs to tout an unsurviveable religion about
his Equal Rights to Other People's Stuff. (Or a Bigger Roof Over It,
thank you George.)
Other People are /'way/ too bored by it (both their stuff and your
religion respecting -- or disrespecting -- it).
If waiting three days won't do it, just wait 'til the first week in
May, and load up the pickup you bolted together out of a shityard /
last/ year.
> continue to exist and have medical care because they earned it.
> I'd prefer that all have access to health care without the insurance
> company milking the system, that people could purchase drugs
> without enriching lobbyists for the pharma companies such as
> the VA has been able to do wherein Vets do not need to mortgage
> their homes to cover their meds, for example. I use Kaiser, an HMO,
> and the monthly price seems fair and I benefit from a group deal
> that provided my spouse a pacemaker ago, meaning payments
> since 1982 were recouped the instant they installed it and fair
> drug and visit costs since then are, luckily, affordable. A modest
> monthly income does not mean we must do without to stay alive.
> Many others are not so lucky, it happens. I'd prefer a health care
> system which others need not bankrupt themselves to use.
>
> btw am reading "Survival of the Sickest" by Dr. Sharon Moalem
> who is at his wittiest describing the value of bleeding of old
> as a iron excess and rusting prevenitive which reminds me of you.
Doctors have been breeding our former culls back into the gene pool
for 3000 years.
This is a problem /only/ if they start ignoring the Law of
Diminishing Returns, wh...
O.
Right.
BTW, you can blame old Doc Leibold and the fifty bucks Dad paid him
(no Socialised Insurance, remember?) to chase down a blown appendix in
1950, for the fact that you hafta put up with a cantankerous old dirty
bastard today.
I'm sorry.
"...fifty-one."
There were "bacteriological complications."
(Can /you/ say, "shilling auctions with Federal Reserve Notes," Mr.
Keynes?)
Did socialised medicine save Luciano Pavarotti?
John Paul?
Superman?
John Ritter?
Isaac Stern?
Beverly Sills?
Dino Martini?
Victor Borge?
Robert Merrill?
Frank Sinatra?
George Burns?
George Carlin?
Rodney Dangerfield?
THEN WHY THE FUCK SHOULD SOCIALISED MEDICINE
SAVE WILL QUACKERY, CHUCKLES LICEHAT, AND GEORGE DUNCE?
jesus
fuck.
>
> We who muddle along between maladies and medications oft
> wonder why humans evolved so. You provide the information
> and the wry observations and remind us to laugh more.
As a direct response to the bursitis
My left leg so frequently refrequents,
I sat on my painless ass to spite us
With yet another fuken sonnet sequence
Like a blind servant yelling "I can see!"
As he walks into yet another tree.
(A poet who can't learn anything from Mel Brooks, isn't.)
>
> Thank you,
> Jeanne
yw.
