On Jun 24, 4:31Â pm, "ggamble"
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> On Jun 23, 6:59 pm, "ggamble" you.net> wrote:
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>> Her following is larger than msm may know. On several lists I see many
>> of all ages
>> who are still appalled about the outcome, but that was pre-ordained,
>> imo. Zero
>> probability of a woman as president, imo.
>
>> **Jeanne,
>
>> With all due respect:
>
>> When the primary process started, I supported Hillary.
>> She lost the nomination process because:
>
>> 1) She ran a terrible and disorganized campaign. She consistently changed
>> her message due to the wrangling with her senior campaign advisors which
>> finally resulted in the firing of many of those advisors.
>
>> 2) No one could put a muzzle on Bill. Her campaign was effectively over
>> when Bill made the Jesse Jackson remark in South Carolina.
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>> 3) The vote on Iraq which you mentioned in your previous post.
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>> To infer that there was some sort of gender bias at work in her failure as
>> a
>> candidate is not only ridiculous, it's wrong and divisive. If you don't
>> want to see Roe v. Wade overturned before the end of the decade, you'll
>> encourage your friends to get out the vote for the Democratic nominee.
>> Think about it. Isn't that the real womens' issue?
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> Gary,
>
> When that 59 delegate award from Michigan occurred, his count went
> over the top and DNC lost credibility with me as they delivered him on
> cue.
>
> Roe fear is not sufficient to make me vote for Obama, this was just
> posted to a list where fear about Roe was supposed to make us vote for
> him:
>
> Acting against principle out of fear has proven unwise for many we
> know.
>
> **Okay.
>
> The Michigan and Florida delegations attempted to move the dates of their
> primaries against the rules of the DNC.
> They chose to ignore the rules. Â The DNC had to enforce the rules, they had
> no choice.
>
> The 50/50 delegate distribution was a compromise designed to not
> disenfranchise the voters.
>
> How on earth can you hold on to this vast democratic party gender conspiracy
> theory by saying they *delivered to him on cue*.?
>
> Sometimes the candidates we support don't win and we have to move on. Â Life
> and politics are full of compromises, there is no such thing as a perfect
> candidate.
>
> Are you telling me that you're not going to cast a vote for President in
> November because the person you supported in the primaries didn't win the
> nomination?
>
> Hillary and Bill are supporting Obama, what do you know that they don't?
>
> Hell, I haven't voted since Carter because I'm an ex-pat, but I'm voting in
> this one.
Gary,
I was part of a group that pushed hard to get Florida counted and
Michigan
solved by vote count vice their delegate award bit by the state. You
preach
to choirs above..;> The Michigan voters were disenfranchised with that
sweet
deal. They assigned all uncommitted to Obama then took four of
Hillary's
to make the total 59 for an in your face move that was wrong,
inconsistent
and designed to ensure the me-toos changed their endorsements faster
that
John Lewis had to. Masterful bullying beyond the DNC's rules for
remedies
with which we all were familiar post the GOP Florida ploy. Deciding
that
uncommitted were for Obama in Michigan and ignoring the voters was
inconsistent with the Florida remedy; brilliant, clever, wrong such
that
many street savvy broads who know how the game is played were
surprised
at the audacity of hope applied to change the rules like an
affirmative action
bit many thought was not needed for this Kansas/Hawaii fellow named
Barry.
Simply rolling over, as usual, takes time when one notices the
screwing left
many unsatisfied who thought change was in the air vice the usual snow
job.
Of course, we all move on, but we do not forget it was nothing
personal, just
business, as usual. As I told folks at the outset, zero probability
for a woman
to preside, no matter how street smart, able and willing to serve she
might be.
Any excuse will do to ensure a woman does not preside. That's a core
value
no one dares to question. O will redeem racists who do not know he is
his
mother's son, no matter how many years Wright mentored him into a
Barack.
Ah, the salve thereto and he is tall, male and will not age for Rush
and the boys.
Jeanne
