>>God knows what we need.

>What god? Prove your answer.

>Greywolf wrote:

>> "duke" cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:avibb39ut0e9dc1erj1mpl02a1lrlggucd@4ax.com...

>>> On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 12:30:34 -0500, "Greywolf" cybrzn.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 09:13:44 -0700, Rudy Canoza
> excite.com> wrote:
>

>> Greywolf wrote:

>>> "duke" cox.net> wrote in message
>>> news:avibb39ut0e9dc1erj1mpl02a1lrlggucd@4ax.com...

>>>> On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 12:30:34 -0500, "Greywolf" cybrzn.com> wrote:
>>>>

>>>>>> God knew that man would sin, because it's mankind's natural flaw to do
>>>>>> so.

>>>>> duke: Who in this universe do *you* believe created the 'naturally
>>>>> flawed',
>>>>> less than perfect, 'perfect' pair of human beings??!! 'Satan'?!!

>>>> Satan? No way. God willed all into existence.

>>> duke, won't your brain let you realize that consciously and willfully
>>> creating evil and unleashing it on both -- speaking theologically here --
>>> angels and man -- when He didn't have to is the *ultimate* act of evil?

>> How about the ultimate act of irrational stupidity?
>> ...

> I really don't care what they think, as long as they
> don't try to impose it on others, including corrupting
> our statements of national allegiance and defacing our
> currency. However, you're wrong on one point - I would
> still call their religious beliefs fuckwitted. I think
> belief in the supernatural is _prima facie_ fuckwitted,
> and especially when the believers have to keep
> "adjusting" the underlying theology in order to try to
> salvage it from rational analysis.

> On Aug 5, 12:39 pm, Rudy Canoza excite.com> wrote:> I really don't care what they think, as long as they

>> don't try to impose it on others, including corrupting
>> our statements of national allegiance and defacing our
>> currency. However, you're wrong on one point - I would
>> still call their religious beliefs fuckwitted. I think
>> belief in the supernatural is _prima facie_ fuckwitted,
>> and especially when the believers have to keep
>> "adjusting" the underlying theology in order to try to
>> salvage it from rational analysis.

>
> There are concepts of the divine that are consistent with quantum
> physics, chaos theory, evolution, and the rest of science.

> On Aug 5, 10:25 am, Day Brown hughes.net> wrote:

>> On Aug 5, 12:39 pm, Rudy Canoza excite.com> wrote:> I
>> really don't care what they think, as long as they

>>> don't try...

> I wonder if any of the religious kooks ever stopped to consider how their
> so-called "perfect god" could create such an imperfect world?

> BOB wrote:
>

>> I wonder if any of the religious kooks ever stopped to consider how
>> their so-called "perfect god" could create such an imperfect world?

>
> More interesting is why modern humankind, in general, finds it
> necessary to claim that a god is perfect; instead why not posit an
> imperfect universe and humankind's imperative to improve himself?
>

>On Aug 5, 10:48 am, "Greywolf" cybrzn.com> wrote:

>> "duke" cox.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:lkkbb3hrmu38bq66ajq9sp5m28o0ad8n34@4ax.com...
>>

>>> On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 12:48:05 -0500, Uncle Vic withheld.com>
>>> wrote:

>>>>IOW, God sacrificed himself to himself

>>
>> Do you not realize how silly you're talking here, duke? Why on *earth* would
>> a 'God' feel the need to 'sacrifice' himself to himself to absolve mankind's
>> *HIs*-created and designated 'sins'? What possible 'good' reason was there
>> for 'God' to create evil, suffering, and death -- as well as 'Satan'?

> God is Lord of Lords and...

>>> I've listened to this oft regurgitated bunk and codswallop from the
>>> early days of my childhood. And my parents heard the same stuff from
>>> their early days as did my grandparents.
>>> Try something more original and more logical.

>> I can't stray from the truth.

>You don't know the truth. You know dogma - shit dogma.