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Author: dukeduke Date: Apr 2, 2007 14:31
On 2 Apr 2007 13:14:33 -0700, "Rudy Canoza" yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Apr 2, 11:45 am, duke cox.net> wrote:>> On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 14:29:15 GMT, Rudy Canoza excite.con> wrote:>>>Not according to Matthew:
>>> Ask, and it shall be given you;
>>> seek, and you shall find;
>>> knock, and it shall be opened to you.
>>> For whoever asks, receives;
>>> and he who seeks, finds;
>>> and to him who knocks, the door is opened.
>>
>> James 4:3
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>No, Matthew, puke:
>
> Matthew 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall
>find;
> knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
> 8 For every one that asketh receiveth;
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Date: Aug 4, 2007 11:05
On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 12:48:05 -0500, Uncle Vic withheld.com>
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>IOW, God sacrificed himself to himself to protect his own creation from
>his own wrath for doing what he created them to do in the first place.
>
>That's insane! But that's OK, we smart people know that since A&E never
>existed, neither did original sin, therefore we don't need your silly
>superstition.
Uncle Vic,
:)
DCI
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Author: Al KleinAl Klein Date: Aug 4, 2007 18:13
On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 09:32:17 -0700, never@million wrote:
>On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 10:50:09 -0500, duke cox.net> wrote:
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>>>God knew that man would sin, because it's mankind's natural flaw to do so. After
>>mankind sinned, God became man in the person...
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Author: dukeduke Date: Aug 5, 2007 06:08
On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 09:32:17 -0700, never@million wrote:
>I've listened to this oft regurgitated bunk and codswallop from the
>early days of my childhood. And my parents heard the same stuff from
>their early days as did my grandparents.
>Try something more original and more logical.
I can't stray from the truth.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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Author: dukeduke Date: Aug 5, 2007 06:37
On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 12:30:34 -0500, "Greywolf" cybrzn.com> wrote:
>> God knew that man would sin, because it's mankind's natural flaw to do so.
>duke: Who in this universe do *you* believe created the 'naturally flawed',
>less than perfect, 'perfect' pair of human beings??!! 'Satan'?!!
Satan? No way. God willed all into existence.
Your problem is that you don't understand the concept of "choosing God" by
design instead of being "controlled" by design.
We are given the opportunity to choose our Father, or satan.
>After
>> mankind sinned, God became man in the person of Jesus Christ to bring the
>> final
>> solution back to mankind - repent of your sins and clean up your act.
>But duke, *if* 'God' and that son of his, 'God' had safeguarded their
>earthly children like responsible Parents are obliged to, Satan would not
>have been allowed to get within three galaxies of their extremely vulnerable
>and naive 'children' -- at *least*!!
What does ever Father want of his children? Answer: their love. We Christians
freely give him our love. You atheists give your love to satan.
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Author: dukeduke Date: Aug 5, 2007 06:42
On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 12:48:05 -0500, Uncle Vic withheld.com> wrote:
>> God knew that man would sin, because it's mankind's natural flaw to do
>> so. After mankind sinned, God became man in the person of Jesus Christ
>> to bring the final solution back to mankind - repent of your sins and
>> clean up your act.
>IOW, God sacrificed himself to himself to protect his own creation from
>his own wrath for doing what he created them to do in the first place.
No.
1. God created man with a free will. To be made in the image and likeness of
God, we had to have a free will.
2. Mankind firstly turned from God, preferring their own fleshly needs rather
than listen to God.
3. God became man to experience the human condition, and in doing so, offered
man redemption from his sins. As God become man, Jesus showed us the way - he
never sinned. We are to follow him. Only he was successful in never sinning,
but he is our guiding light - to follow, to repent of our sins, and to do
better.
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Author: dukeduke Date: Aug 5, 2007 06:43
On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 11:53:11 -0700, Rudy Canoza excite.com> wrote:
>>> I do! When Adam & Eve 'sinned' against this 'God' of yours -- and that clone
>>> 'Son' of his, 'God' -- did the two *plan* in advance that Adam & Eve were to
>>> be supernaturally deceived by their diabolically evil and supernaturally
>>> deceiving, 'Satan', or were the two caught completely by surprise by the
>>> turn of events and were utterly helpless to stop it?
>> God
>Who?
Don't blame me for your ignorance.
>> knew that man would blah blah blah bullshit.
>Put a sock in it, duck. You're full of shit.
Christian: Win(hopefully)/no win. Atheist: lose/no win. No win comes into
play if there is no almighty God.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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Author: dukeduke Date: Aug 5, 2007 06:44
On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 19:24:22 -0400, Attila < wrote:
>>God knew that man would sin, because it's mankind's natural flaw to do so. After
>>mankind sinned, God became man in the person of Jesus Christ to bring the final
>>solution back to mankind - repent of your sins and clean up your act.
>Yet you can't prove any of that.
It's the message of scripture.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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Author: Rudy CanozaRudy Canoza Date: Aug 5, 2007 07:51
duke wrote:
> On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 09:32:17 -0700, never@million wrote:
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>> I've listened to this oft regurgitated bunk and codswallop from the
>> early days of my childhood. And my parents heard the same stuff from
>> their early days as did my grandparents.
>> Try something more original and more logical.
>
> I can't stray from the truth.
You don't know the truth. You know dogma - shit dogma.
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Author: Rudy CanozaRudy Canoza Date: Aug 5, 2007 07:52
duke wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 12:30:34 -0500, "Greywolf" cybrzn.com> wrote:
> >>> God knew that man would sin, because it's mankind's natural flaw to do so.
>
>> duke: Who in this universe do *you* believe created the 'naturally flawed',
>> less than perfect, 'perfect' pair of human beings??!! 'Satan'?!!
>
> Satan? No way. God willed all into existence.
Bullshit.
You'll never be able to think for yourself.
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