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Quantum randomness may not be random         


Author: Sir Frederick
Date: Mar 23, 2008 07:25

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19726485.700
Quantum randomness may not be random
22 March 2008
From New Scientist Print Edition. Subscribe and get 4 free issues.
Mark Buchanan

AT ITS deepest level, nature is random and unpredictable. That, most physicists would say, is the unavoidable lesson of quantum
theory. Try to track the location of an electron and you'll find only a probability that it is here or there. Measure the spin of an
atom and all you get is a 50:50 chance that it is up or down. Watch a photon hit a glass plate and it will either pass through or be
reflected, but it's impossible to know which without measuring it.

Where does this randomness come from? Before quantum theory, physicists could believe in determinism, the idea of a world unfolding
with precise mathematical certainty. Since then, however, the weird probabilistic behaviour of the quantum world has rudely
intruded, and the mainstream view is that this uncertainty is a fundamental feature of everything from alpha particles to Z bosons.
Indeed, most quantum researchers celebrate the notion that pure chance lies at the foundations of the universe.

However, a sizeable minority of physicists have long been pushing entirely the opposite view. They remain unconvinced that quantum
theory depends on pure chance, and they shun the philosophical contortions of quantum weirdness. The world is not inherently random,
they say, it only appears that way. Their response has been to develop quantum models that are deterministic, and that describe a
world that has "objective" properties, whether or not we measure them. The problem is that such models have had flaws that many
physicists consider fatal, such as inconsistencies with established theories.
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Re: Quantum randomness may not be random         


Author: tg
Date: Mar 23, 2008 09:00

On Mar 23, 10:25 am, Sir Frederick fuzzysys.com> wrote:
> http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19726485.700
> Quantum randomness may not be random
> 22 March 2008
> From New Scientist Print Edition. Subscribe and get 4 free issues.
> Mark Buchanan
>

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Even so, most physicists are not yet ready to embrace the new models,
because one crucial problem remains: Bohmian theory, critics
point out, doesn't make any predictions that differ from those of
ordinary quantum mechanics. "The theory is successful only because
it keeps standard wave mechanics unchanged," says Dieter Zeh of the
University of Heidelberg in Germany. He adds that the rest of
the theory is biased towards the ideas of classical physics and is
"observationally meaningless".
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Re: Quantum randomness may not be random         


Author: Sir Frederick
Date: Mar 23, 2008 09:10

On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 09:00:45 -0700 (PDT), tg earthlink.net> wrote:
>On Mar 23, 10:25 am, Sir Frederick fuzzysys.com> wrote:
>> http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19726485.700
>> Quantum randomness may not be random
>> 22 March 2008
>> From New Scientist Print...
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Author: knucmo
Date: Mar 23, 2008 10:11

On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 07:25:52 -0700, Sir Frederick
fuzzysys.com> wrote:
>http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19726485.700
>Quantum randomness may not be random
>22 March 2008
>From New Scientist Print Edition. Subscribe and get 4 free issues.
>Mark Buchanan
>
>AT ITS...
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Author: tooly
Date: Mar 23, 2008 19:41

"Sir Frederick" fuzzysys.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 09:00:45 -0700 (PDT), tg earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>>On Mar 23, 10:25 am, Sir Frederick fuzzysys.com> wrote:
>>> http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19726485.700
>>> Quantum randomness may not be random
>>> 22 March 2008
>>> From New Scientist Print Edition. Subscribe and get 4 free issues.
>>> Mark Buchanan
>>>
>>
>>********************
>>Even so, most physicists are not yet ready to embrace the new models,
>>because one crucial problem remains: Bohmian theory, critics
>>point out, doesn't make any predictions that differ from those of
>>ordinary quantum mechanics. "The theory is successful only because
>>it keeps standard wave mechanics unchanged," says Dieter Zeh of the
>>University of Heidelberg in Germany. He adds that the rest of ...
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Re: Quantum randomness may not be random         


Author: jshippey
Date: Mar 26, 2008 09:38

New Scientist is in error what they present is NOT Bohm theory, what
the Durr Group present {Sheldon Goldstein} is in fact Bells theory!

It is claimed that Bohm's theory would dispel the uncertainty
principle and lead quantum physics into the realm of some kind of
mechanistic certainty, well firstly the pilot wave theory put forward
by...
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