> On Dec 1, 6:33 pm, "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" getnet.net> wrote:

>> pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

>>> On Dec 1, 6:01 am, "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" getnet.net> wrote:

>>>> pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

>>>>> On Nov 30, 7:27 pm, "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" getnet.net>
>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>> pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

>>>>>>> On Nov 30, 5:21 pm, "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" getnet.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>> pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

>>>>>>>>> On Nov 30, 5:09 pm, "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" getnet.net>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 30, 2:23 pm, "pba...@worldonline.nl"
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>> Most people on usenet tend to play in stead of getting serious.
>>>>>>>>>>>> However you have to remember that we are atheists, and that therefor
>>>>>>>>>>>> we tend to think this is a discussion about figments of peoples
>>>>>>>>>>>> imagination.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course the fact is that we are talking about something spiritual.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Spiritual things belong solely to the realm of the (human) brain.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Like ideals. Ideals exist, but not outside the human brain.

>>>>>>>>>>> I got waylaid and wound up here, on this Athiest forum, due to cross-
>>>>>>>>>>> posting.
>>>>>>>>>>> As for your brain, you are a well-conditioned slave and I am a free
>>>>>>>>>>> man - that is the essential difference. I want to be free of all
>>>>>>>>>>> material bondage, and you consider it your function to insist that
>>>>>>>>>>> everyone should accept their material bondage.

>>>>>>>>>> Define material bondage before you proceed further on the road to lunacy.

>>>>>>>>> What part of "material bondage" don't you understand, oh abusive one?

>>>>>>>> The phrase has no meaning, please define it, dodging one.

>>>>>>> I beg to differ, but I will explain it for your abusive highness. We
>>>>>>> are all (well, most of us) limited to a body, and moreover we are all
>>>>>>> (most of us) completely ignorant of why we are limited to a body.
>>>>>>> This body of ours is subject to over a billion diseases, many of them
>>>>>>> leading to grave disability and intense unbearable suffering. Old
>>>>>>> age, disease, and death are basically inevitable for everyone, and no
>>>>>>> one really knows what will happen to them after they die, to say
>>>>>>> nothing of the humiliations of infancy and life in the womb, which is
>>>>>>> yet another unknown. For all these reasons and more we experience
>>>>>>> material bondage from the day we are born until the day we die, and
>>>>>>> perhaps thereafter as well.

>>>>>> It's called life. Cope.

>>>>>>>> Materialists take it as their function to convince the rest of us that

>>>>>>> we must accept our material bondage. Atheists take upon themselves a
>>>>>>> similar role. I and all other spiritual seekers reject these claims
>>>>>>> and believe that there is a way out, an escape from material bondage.
>>>>>>> We are the heroes of humanity and you are the villains. Capice?

>>>>>> Enemies of life, that's a laugh. The atheist accepts that this life is
>>>>>> all we have. The atheist lives that life to its fullest, never
>>>>>> accepting the pie in the sky claim of existence after death. The
>>>>>> atheist knows, there is only one conclusion, for everything.
>>>>>> Seek spirituality all you like, cheapen your life all you like, waste it
>>>>>> all you like, in the end, it ends the same.
>>>>>> Life is a terminal disease, deal with it, or waste it. The choice is yours.

>>>>> Well, in the 60's alot of people saw through this old lefty crap. We
>>>>> saw how empty the argument was that in order to live in the NOW one
>>>>> must forsake the ETERNAL. We realized that the sacrifice of our
>>>>> precious individuality for the sake of conformity to "reality" was
>>>>> also a scam, since it is our individuality that makes our reality by a
>>>>> process of cause and effect that the great Karl Marx described quite
>>>>> clearly (in the Grundrisse). We saw right through the lies of the old
>>>>> left, and the old left never forgave us. They were greater enemies
>>>>> than the rightwingers that they endlessly complained about.

>>>> 1. It's not left or right crap, it is life. You're an adult, cope.
>>>> 2. Seeking a spiritual side or the after life is conforming. 86%% of
>>>> the population believe in some kind of spiritual life. You are the
>>>> conformist, you've fallen for the lie.

>>> No, you are an anal compulsive masochist and sadist. I am a normal
>>> self-respecting individual. You do what you think you must, but that
>>> "must" is only in your head. You are not a true scientist. I am.
>>> Have you studied quantum physics or its philosophical implications? I
>>> have. I am probably the world's expert right now, though unacclaimed.
>>>

>> Right, and I'm the lost king of Scotland.
>>
>> Get over yourself already. You are not that important, the universe
>> does not recognize you and will continue after your pathetic spark of
>> existence is extinguished. Learn your place in the universe child,
>> before you look even more foolish then you do now.

>
> You can't tell me my place. God tells me my place, and it is way
> above any place you can imagine.
>