is well illustrated by http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7WJeqxuOfQ
and it is high time for Greens & Liberals to wake up if they wish to
preserve the American economy, environment, and constitutional
system.

Gibbon noted how the aristocracy encouraged the immigration into Rome
from tribes that lacked sound republican traditions in order to
increase the supply of labor and drive the wages down. If we do not
seal the border, illegals will keep coming across, wages will drop
further, the schools will get more crowded, education will be less
effective, and demagoguery will be more effective.

And we'll see more leaders like Bush. With ever more draconian power
using goon squad tactics such as in seen in the cultures that the
illegals come from. That's one of the traditions they bring with them.
Look at the way the corrupt systems they left care for the
environment, and then look at how the demagogues appeal to their
religious and cultural sensibilities with social issues while they gut
the social safety net.

I agree, except that I don't see this as a "liberal vs. conservative"
issue. Both Democrats and Republicans have long been supporters of
open borders, because that's what their corporate benefactors pay them
to do. (The corporations want a steady flow of cheap labor.) More
recently, though, Republican congressmen seem to have gotten the
message that Americans are fed up with illegal immigration.
Unfortunately, with the exception of two minor candidates - Duncan
Hunter and Tom Tancredo - none of the other Republican candidates seem
to care much about the problem. None of the Democrats are in favor of
a tough stand on illegal immigration.

You may be interested to know that there is a subtle but much more
profound economic reason for dramatically curtailing immigration and
stabilizing the U.S. population. Check out the link below.

www.OpenWindowPublishingCo.com

Polite discourse appreciate, 5sbauthor. Agreement is over the top.
thanx for the link. I dont have the money or time now, but am glad to
see such a book out there. Altho, are there still enuf bookreaders
left that it, or any book, would have any impact?

Since so many Conservatives base their belief on scripture, I dont see
any point in trying to enlighten them. Liberals claim to be more
reliant on the power of reason, not faith, and therefore are
theoretically more amenable to logical presentations.

Agreed that neither major party has been able to respond properly. One
hope is that this makes room for a new, more logically consistent,
centrist party. There is some hope that the mass media, which relies
on the profits from consumer advertising, realizes the problem if the
middle class consumers go broke.

On Nov 29, 5:34 pm, 5sbauthor openwindowpublishingco.com>
wrote:

http://capitaldistrict-lp.org/Poverty.shtml

The electorate is rationally voting for a free lunch no one can
afford. Perhaps some day enough people will understand that governing
has become about money and privilege - taking it from some and giving
it to themselves.
http://www.capitaldistrict-lp.org/what.shtml

... You liberals will have to figure out how

On Nov 30, 10:57 am, Werner mac.com> wrote:

You got that right.

Average mean income is over $60/hour.

Are you making average mean income?

If not you are either,

1. dumber than average, or,

2. getting ripped off.

No matter how you answer I'll agree with you.

Bret Cahill

On Nov 30, 11:27 am, tg earthlink.net> wrote:

On Nov 30, 1:54 pm, Bret Cahill aol.com> wrote:

On Nov 30, 2:11 pm, Werner mac.com> wrote: