On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 05:15:47 -0700 (PDT), spinoza1111
yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Apr 3, 7:12Â pm, spinoza1111
yahoo.com> wrote:>> On Apr 3, 4:32Â pm, Michael Gordge
xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>>>>> On Apr 3, 12:10Â pm,spinoza1111
yahoo.com> wrote:>>
>>>> Â too cowardly to stand up for their families
>>>> and society.
>>
>>> Can ewe give an example of how ewe have "stood up" for your tribe and
>>> commune or what "stand up for" actually means?
>>
>>> Michael Gordge
>>
>> None of your business. Objectively (cf Susan Faludi's book, Stiffed)
>> it is in the interest of ruling elites that subalterned people sit
>> around de campfire and spin pointless and false pseudo-philosophies
>> that reconcile them with their shitty lives, and this is what
>> "Objectivism" does...far more than Nietzche's "slave morality", in
>> fact, since it conceals the true conditions of life from people who
>> use drugs and alcohol in addition to libertarianism to blind their
>> souls.
>
>Examine the Ayn Rand web site, with its 81000.00 essay prizes and
>denunciation of campaign finance reform, It's obviously a well-funded
>effort by rich bastards
Are bastards bad people, or just people you happen to disagree with
for some reason, e.g., being richer than you?
>to spread the false gospel of selfishness in
>order to divide people and fill them with the illusion that they are
>NEVER deserving of help...nor supposed to help others.
Yes, Objectivism is divisive.
>This is an evil web site. The bastards who created it are terrified of
>McCain and his effort to bring about campaign finance reform because
>they have discovered that money talks, and they can spread propaganda
>far more effective than old-fashioned Communist propaganda: the new
>Big Lie.
I don't believe ANY politicians, or anybody who wears a different hat
depending on which audience he or she is addressing.
>The fact is that most ordinary Americans have negative net worth and
>never once see more than about $2000.00 in their bank accounts. Most
>ordinary Americans die when they get sick unnecessarily because they
>cannot afford medical care.
>
>And these pitiful excuses for Americans have learned never to blame
>anyone but themselves whether or not they are to blame for their
>problems...even when they've paid insurance premiums on time but are
>denied coverage all the same.
>
>How convenient this is for the rich bastards who are behind the Rand
>cult.
I don't see the connection of 'convenience' you're trying to make
between the "pitiful excuses for Americans" and the "rich bastard" Ayn
Rand cult.
>It is so ironic, in other words, that some libertarians and Randroids
>have adopted Pete Townshend's song "We Won't be Fooled Again" as an
>anthem. The song is all about how the generation of the Sixties,
>vicariously living a rock star's life (including his positive net
>worth) through an act of political fantasy, reject "big government"
>and "politics", and "won't be fooled again".
The song was "Won't Get Fooled Again."
We'll be fighting in the streets
With our children at our feet
And the morals that they worship will be gone
And the men who spurred us on
Sit in judgement of all wrong
They decide and the shotgun sings the song
I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
The change, it had to come
We knew it all along
We were liberated from the fold, that's all
And the world looks just the same
And history ain't changed
'Cause the banners, they are flown in the next war
I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
No, no!
I'll move myself and my family aside
If we happen to be left half alive
I'll get all my papers and smile at the sky
Though I know that the hypnotized never lie
Do ya?
There's nothing in the streets
Looks any different to me
And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye
And the parting on the left
Are now parting on the right
And the beards have all grown longer overnight
I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
Don't get fooled again
No, no!
Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss
>...and then is fooled far more thoroughly than people ever were by
>liberalism into supporting the selfishness of others.
>
>Of course, the fact that Rand is
(was...)
> an evil ideologue is independent
>logically of whether she is a philosopher. But if she was a
>philosopher, then Mein Kampf is a philosophy book. But, the only
>people that would refer to Hitler's "philosophy" in the respectful
>register, in claiming for example that Hitler deserves to be a part of
>a "Wikipedia Philosophy Project", are Hitler Youth.
They were idealists or visionaries, not philosophers. Idealists often
try to make much of their struggle (Mein Kampf), particularly their
struggle to reshape the world or their small part of it. Idealists are
more practical than visionaries, the latter are also reformers but
they see much farther down the road then idealists. Philosophers are
pretty much as you'd expect them to be: like Michael Gordge, their
concern with the highest abstractions divorces their minds from
reality.
>Randroids seek an honorific for their mad leader and for themselves.
>The adoption of Rand's philosophy is in fact ersatz for growing the
>fuck up which is why one sees it amongst college sophomores who have
>decided not to grow up and as a result need an ersatz and unearned set
>of excuses, which they wish to honor as a "philosophy", for their
>being incapable of the tasks of adulthood...as well as afraid of other
>people, who can be walled off using Rand's ready-made overdefinition
>of the sealed and "objective" self.
>
>Hate to have to say it, but along with a kick in the pants, a couple
>of years in the Marines would go far in curing the Rand sickness
>because the "gospel of selfishness" doesn't work in the field.
Joining some kind of service would teach them a modicum of respect for
others, at any rate. But are you saying you're in favor of reinstating
the draft?
--
How was chirch this morning? - Michael Gordge
