On Aug 16, 12:22Â pm, Ariadne
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>>> On Aug 16, 6:25Â am, Ariadne
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>>> On 16 Aug, 12:55,snakehawk
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>>> That will make two states, Israel and Poland,
>>> that can decide without consulting the U.S.
>>> Congress whether young U.S. soldiers will be killed and maimed
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>>> Where's your evidence for that outrageous claim?
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>> Don't you read the news? Or do you just follow FOX? Â Polish officials
>> confirmed that in the recently signed agreement between Poland and the
>> United States government (not NATO, mind you), the United States and
>> Poland have mutually agreed to immediate military assistance in case
>> of "trouble." Â Here are quotes from Poland's Prime Minister Donald
>> Tusk from an article by the Associated Press on the agreement
>> published August 15, 2008:
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>> "WARSAW, Poland — Poland and the United States struck a deal Thursday
>> that will strengthen military ties and put an American missile
>> interceptor base in Poland."
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>> "'We have crossed the Rubicon,' Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk
>> said, referring to U.S. consent to Poland's demands after more than 18
>> months of negotiations."
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>> "In an interview on news channel TVN24, Tusk said . . . the deal also
>> includes a 'mutual commitment' between the two nations to come to each
>> other's assistance 'in case of trouble.'"
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>> "Talking about the 'mutual commitment' part of the agreement, Tusk
>> said the North Atlantic Treaty Organization would be too slow in
>> coming to Poland's defense if threatened and the bloc would take
>> 'days, weeks to start that machinery. Poland and the Poles do not want
>> to be in alliances in which assistance comes at some point later — it
>> is no good when assistance comes to dead people. Poland wants to be in
>> alliances where assistance comes in the very first hours of — knock on
>> wood — any possible conflict,' Tusk said."
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>> Common sense should tell any rational reader that the United States
>> will never require Poland's military help in anything. Â Nevertheless,
>> Bush has committed the United States to rush to join Poland in any
>> conflict with any enemy, naturally including Russia. Â It won't matter
>> how the conflict comes about, whether Poland goads the enemy into
>> attacking, or even whether Poland is the first to attack. Â the United
>> States is bound to send military forces into the conflict within hours
>> after Poland invokes the agreement whether or not NATO decides to get
>> involved.
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>> In case anyone has forgotten, that's exactly how World War II
>> started. Â Britain and France made the same stupid agreement with the
>> newly formed state of Poland. Â But the Polish government was accused
>> of mistreating Germans who were forced to live under Polish control by
>> the Versailles Treaty. Â Then Poland threatened to attack Germany, even
>> mobilized its military. Â When Hitler attacked Poland, Britain and
>> France immediately declared war, even though Germany did not threaten
>> either Britain or France.
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>> The war-causing agreement between Poland and Britain was the same type
>> of "mutual defense" agreement just signed by the bungling warmonger
>> Bush. Â If the stupid Bush had entered into a similar agreement with
>> Georgia, we would be in World War III today.
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Oh, excuse me, Ariadne. I didn't realize I was responding to a Jew.
I would have known better than to continue discussing the dangers the
U.S. will face because of the misguided agreement with Poland; I would
have confined my remarks to addressing the problems always faced by
the warmongering little Israel. I recognize that American Jews are
concerned only with Israel, not other countries, not Poland, and
certainly not the United States. After all, any war that could result
from the U.S. commitment to Poland will not involve Israel except to
create an opportunity for Israel to make a profit selling reverse
engineered U.S. technology to the belligerants.
Israel's situation is unique. While every U.S. candidate for national
office, especially the presidency, must swear before AIPAC to defend
Israel, Israel graciously does not require a written agreement. In
fact, according to the Jew Jeremy Pressman, a Project Associate of the
Middle East Project, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace,
Israel doesn't want a written defense pact for two reasons: first
Israel doesn't want to send Israeli forces into dangerous situations
fighting alongside U.S. troops in conflicts in the middle east (and
Israel has never done so); and second, Israel doesn't want the U.S. to
have any say in what Israel does with the money the U.S. sends Israel
annually.
Israel, therefore, is satisfied with the verbal commitment to AIPAC
and, of course, more money. Israel and the U.S. did enter into a
defense pact in August 2007, wherein the U.S. agreed to provide
Israel with $30 billion (That's billion with a "b") in military aid.
And Israel is allowed to use use 26%% of the money to "buy" equipment
from state-owned Israel companies like Aerospace Industries Ltd. and
Elbit Systems Ltd." In other words, Israel will be able to use about
$8 billion (that's billion with a "b") of U.S taxpayers' money to buy
military equipment from itself.
Combine the ridiculously generous "Defense Pact" with the pledge of
idiots like George W. Bush and Fight'n John McCain to immediately
attack any country that attacks Israel and we have the situation
similar to the recent one with Poland: either country can involve the
United States in a war. The relationship with Israel has already
caused the United States to spend almost a trillion dollars invading,
destroying and occupying Israel's former enemy Iraq. and Israel is
now pushing the United States to war with Iran. Between Israel and
Poland, the chances are good that thousands of young U.S. soldiers
will soon be killed and maimed somewhere.
