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Author: feedbackdroidfeedbackdroid Date: Apr 15, 2008 14:24
> feedbackdroid wrote:
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>>> Read any dictionary for the definition of emergence. It will state that
>>> emergence occurs when a new property arises out of nowhere in complex
>>> systems whose constituent parts do not have this property. Something
>>> arising from nothing is magic, see? This is what most people including
>>> your self believe.
>
>> Ooof. Try reading the scientific literature on complexity theory,
>> instead of the dictionary.
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> Why? This whole sub thread I started dealt with the commonly held idea
> of emergence. Definitions are by definition commonly held notions about
> a particular...
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Author: Mike E. FullertonMike E. Fullerton Date: Apr 15, 2008 16:18
feedbackdroid wrote:
>> feedbackdroid wrote:
>>>> Read any dictionary for the definition of emergence. It will state that
>>>> emergence occurs when a new property arises out of nowhere in complex
>>>> systems whose constituent parts do not have this property. Something
>>>> arising from nothing is magic, see? This is what most people including
>>>> your self believe.
>>> Ooof. Try reading the scientific literature on complexity theory,
>>> instead of the dictionary.
>> Why? This whole sub thread I started dealt with the commonly held idea
>> of emergence. Definitions are by definition commonly held...
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Author: feedbackdroidfeedbackdroid Date: Apr 15, 2008 19:35
> feedbackdroid wrote:
>>> feedbackdroid wrote:
>>>>> Read any dictionary for the definition of emergence. It will state that
>>>>> emergence occurs when a new property arises out of nowhere in complex
>>>>> systems whose constituent parts do not have this property. Something
>>>>> arising from nothing is magic, see? This is what most people including
>>>>> your self believe.
>>>> Ooof. Try reading the scientific literature on complexity theory,
>>>> instead of the dictionary.
>>> Why? This whole sub thread I started dealt with the commonly held idea
>>> of emergence. Definitions are by definition commonly held notions about
>>> a particular thing.
>
>> Yes, better to alk about commonly held notions, rather than science. ...
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Author: AlphaAlpha Date: Apr 16, 2008 06:43
> feedbackdroid wrote:
>>> feedbackdroid wrote:
>>>>> Read any dictionary for the definition of emergence. It will state that
>>>>> emergence occurs when a new property arises out of nowhere in complex
>>>>> systems whose constituent parts do not have this property. Something
>>>>> arising from nothing is magic, see? This is what most people including
>>>>> your self believe.
>>>> Ooof. Try reading the scientific literature on complexity theory,
>>>> instead of the dictionary.
>>> Why? This whole sub thread I started dealt with the commonly held idea
>>> of emergence. Definitions are by definition commonly held notions about
>>> a particular thing.
>
>> Yes, better to alk about commonly held notions, rather than science. ...
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Author: Mike E. FullertonMike E. Fullerton Date: Apr 16, 2008 10:09
feedbackdroid wrote:
>> feedbackdroid wrote:
>>>> feedbackdroid wrote:
>>>>>> Read any dictionary for the definition of emergence. It will state that
>>>>>> emergence occurs when a new property arises out of nowhere in complex
>>>>>> systems whose constituent parts do not have this property. Something
>>>>>> arising from nothing is magic, see? This is what most people including
>>>>>> your self believe.
>>>>> Ooof. Try reading the scientific literature on complexity theory,
>>>>> instead of the dictionary.
>>>> Why? This whole sub thread I started dealt with the commonly held idea
>>>> of emergence. Definitions are by definition commonly held notions about
>>>> a particular thing.
>>> Yes, better to alk about commonly held notions, rather than science. ...
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Author: Mike E. FullertonMike E. Fullerton Date: Apr 16, 2008 10:15
Alpha wrote:
>> feedbackdroid wrote:
>>>> feedbackdroid wrote:
>>>>>> Read any dictionary for the definition of emergence. It will state that
>>>>>> emergence occurs when a new property arises out of nowhere in complex
>>>>>> systems whose constituent parts do not have this property. Something
>>>>>> arising from nothing is magic, see? This is what most people including
>>>>>> your self believe.
>>>>> Ooof. Try reading the scientific literature on complexity theory,
>>>>> instead of the dictionary.
>>>> Why? This whole sub thread I started dealt with the commonly held idea
>>>> of emergence. Definitions are by definition commonly held notions about
>>>> a particular thing.
>>> Yes, better to alk about commonly held notions, rather than science. ...
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Author: AlphaAlpha Date: Apr 16, 2008 11:46
> feedbackdroid wrote:
>>> feedbackdroid wrote:
>>>>> feedbackdroid wrote:
>>>>>>> Read any dictionary for the definition of emergence. It will state that
>>>>>>> emergence occurs when a new property arises out of nowhere in complex
>>>>>>> systems whose constituent parts do not have this property. Something
>>>>>>> arising from nothing is magic, see? This is what most people including
>>>>>>> your self believe.
>>>>>> Ooof. Try reading the scientific literature on complexity theory,
>>>>>> instead of the dictionary.
>>>>> Why? This whole sub thread I started dealt with the commonly held idea
>>>>> of emergence. Definitions are by definition commonly held notions about ...
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Author: AlphaAlpha Date: Apr 16, 2008 11:56
> Alpha wrote:
>>> feedbackdroid wrote:
>>>>> feedbackdroid wrote:
>>>>>>> Read any dictionary for the definition of emergence. It will state that
>>>>>>> emergence occurs when a new property arises out of nowhere in complex
>>>>>>> systems whose constituent parts do not have this property. Something
>>>>>>> arising from nothing is magic, see? This is what most people including
>>>>>>> your self believe.
>>>>>> Ooof. Try reading the scientific literature on complexity theory,
>>>>>> instead of the dictionary.
>>>>> Why? This whole sub thread I started dealt with the commonly held idea
>>>>> of emergence. Definitions are by definition commonly held notions about ...
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Author: feedbackdroidfeedbackdroid Date: Apr 16, 2008 12:21
> feedbackdroid wrote:
>>> feedbackdroid wrote:
>>>>> feedbackdroid wrote:
>>>>>>> Read any dictionary for the definition of emergence. It will state that
>>>>>>> emergence occurs when a new property arises out of nowhere in complex
>>>>>>> systems whose constituent parts do not have this property. Something
>>>>>>> arising from nothing is magic, see? This is what most people including
>>>>>>> your self believe.
>>>>>> Ooof. Try reading the scientific literature on complexity theory,
>>>>>> instead of the dictionary.
>>>>> Why? This whole sub thread I started dealt with the commonly held idea
>>>>> of emergence. Definitions are by definition commonly held notions about ...
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Author: feedbackdroidfeedbackdroid Date: Apr 16, 2008 12:31
On Apr 16, 12:56 pm, Alpha yahoo.com> wrote:> On Apr 16, 10:15 am, "Mike E. Fullerton"
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>> So why is it you refuse to explain the "scientific" notion of emergence?
>> All notions of emergence require getting something from nothing.
>> Something arises that was not there before.
>
> While that part is true.
>
"something arises that was not there before" is hardly the same as
"getting something from nothing", as I've already explained to MEF 3
or 4 times already. But he hardly listens.
He should be recursively urged to actually read some scientific papers
on the subject of complexity theory.
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