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Author: Art
Date: Aug 16, 2007 06:56

There are a series of lectures given by physicist David Deutsch
which can be viewed here:
http://www.quiprocone.org/Protected/DD_lectures.htm
which concern theoretical quantum computation.

In the first lecture, the viewer is asked to discount all the
other interpetions of QM and take seriously that multiverses
are the reality and the only valid interpretation. However,
I found nothing at all in any of the presentations that
makes his case.

It seems to me that this is another case of dishonesty
in science. If David had started off by saying something
like, "Ok, my references to a multiverse are just a game
I play mentally ... and prefer to consider multiverses as
actual or real rather than a artifice ....", I would admire
his intellectual honesty. All he's doing, so far as I can
tell, is following the "logic" and rules of QM ... the
multiverses explanation/interpretation is irrelevant.

Why do so many top notch scientists choose to engage
in religious wars?
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Re: Physicist's fairy tales         


Author: Sir Frederick
Date: Aug 16, 2007 11:45

On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:56:47 GMT, Art zilch.com> wrote:
>There are a series of lectures given by physicist David Deutsch
>which can be viewed here:
>http://www.quiprocone.org/Protected/DD_lectures.htm
>which concern theoretical quantum computation.
>
>In the...
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Re: Physicist's fairy tales         


Author: Craig Franck
Date: Aug 16, 2007 15:02

"Art" zilch.com> wrote
> There are a series of lectures given by physicist David Deutsch
> which can be viewed here:
> http://www.quiprocone.org/Protected/DD_lectures.htm
> which concern theoretical quantum computation.
>
> In the first lecture, the viewer is asked to discount all the
> other interpetions of QM and take seriously that multiverses
> are the reality and the only valid interpretation. However,
> I found nothing at all in any of the presentations that
> makes his case.

It sounds as if that interpretation was meant to be axiomatic.

"Let's assume there are an infinite number of universes
capable of supporting life. If we inhabit a randomly chosen
universe, what characteristics would we likely observe?

1) We should not exist at a random period of time within
that universe. etc."

In such as scenario, you are not expected to make the case.
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Re: Physicist's fairy tales         


Author: Art
Date: Aug 16, 2007 17:26

On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 22:02:59 GMT, "Craig Franck"
verizon.net> wrote:
>"Art" zilch.com> wrote
>
>> There are a series of lectures given by physicist David Deutsch
>> which can be viewed here:
>> http://www.quiprocone.org/Protected/DD_lectures.htm
>> which concern theoretical...
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Re: Physicist's fairy tales         


Author: Immortalist
Date: Aug 16, 2007 21:51

On Aug 16, 6:56 am, Art zilch.com> wrote:
> There are a series of lectures given by physicist David Deutsch
> which can be viewed here:http://www.quiprocone.org/Protected/DD_lectures.htm
> which concern theoretical quantum computation.
>
> In the first lecture, the viewer is asked to discount all the
> other interpetions of QM and take seriously that multiverses
> are the reality and the only valid interpretation. However,
> I found nothing at all in any of the presentations that
> makes his case.
>
> It seems to me that this is another case of dishonesty
> in science. If David had started off by saying something
> like, "Ok, my references to a multiverse are just a game
> I play mentally ... and prefer to consider multiverses as
> actual or real rather than a artifice ....", I would admire
> his intellectual honesty. All he's doing, so far as I can
> tell, is following the "logic" and rules of QM ... the
> multiverses explanation/interpretation is irrelevant.
> ...
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Re: Physicist's fairy tales         


Author: Chris H. Fleming
Date: Aug 17, 2007 00:23

On Aug 16, 9:56 am, Art zilch.com> wrote:
> There are a series of lectures given by physicist David Deutsch
> which can be viewed here:http://www.quiprocone.org/Protected/DD_lectures.htm
> which concern theoretical quantum computation.
>
> In the first lecture, the viewer is asked to discount all the
> other interpetions of QM and take seriously that multiverses
> are the reality and the only valid interpretation. However,
> I found nothing at all in any of the presentations that
> makes his case.

The case for a MWI or relative state interpretation is a somewhat
mathematical one.
Consider the following, unsolved, measurement problem:

Consider a 2-level quantum system with states |+> and |->
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Re: Physicist's fairy tales         


Author: 1Z
Date: Aug 17, 2007 01:28

On 17 Aug, 08:23, "Chris H. Fleming" yahoo.com>
wrote:
> For what he is doing the interpretation is irrelevant. I doubt he
> means to assert any ontological status. You can simply consider it to
> be a method to think about problems and get correct answers.

Deutsch definitely means to assert the ontological status. See
here (especially towards the bottom)

http://www.qubit.org/people/david/Articles/CommentOnLockwood.html

And here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fabric_of_Reality
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Re: Physicist's fairy tales         


Author: ZerkonX
Date: Aug 17, 2007 09:34

On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:56:47 +0000, Art wrote:
> Why do so many top notch scientists choose to engage
> in religious wars?

Grant money?
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Re: Physicist's fairy tales         


Author: D H
Date: Aug 17, 2007 10:12

Art wrote:
> There are a series of lectures given by physicist David Deutsch
> which can be viewed here:
> http://www.quiprocone.org/Protected/DD_lectures.htm
> which concern theoretical quantum computation.
>
> In the first lecture, the viewer is asked to discount all the
> other interpetions of QM and take seriously that multiverses
> are the reality and the only valid interpretation. However,
> I found nothing at all in any of the presentations that
> makes his case.
>
> It seems to me that this is another case of dishonesty
> in science. If David had started off by saying something
> like, "Ok, my references to a multiverse are just a game
> I play mentally ... and prefer to consider multiverses as
> actual or real rather than a artifice ....", I would admire
> his intellectual honesty. All he's doing, so far as I can
> tell, is following the "logic" and rules of QM ... the
> multiverses explanation/interpretation is irrelevant. ...
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Re: Physicist's fairy tales         


Author: Art
Date: Aug 17, 2007 13:37

On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 10:12:39 -0700, D H budweiser.com>
wrote:
>Art wrote:
>> There are a series of lectures given by physicist David Deutsch
>> which can be viewed here:
>> http://www.quiprocone.org/Protected/DD_lectures.htm
>> which concern theoretical quantum computation...
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