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Pat Buchanan for free speech         


Author: brigit bardot brigade
Date: Jun 23, 2008 19:54

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Re: Pat Buchanan for free speech         


Author: Day Brown
Date: Jun 27, 2008 13:21

brigit bardot brigade wrote:
"What has caused this reversal of freedom?"

Lotsa causes, but clearly, the population is less rational. You
can lay out a logically consistent post and see mostly insane
rants against it. Look at all the ad hominum.

Most succinctly: Jared Diamond reports that 80%% of global agribusiness
produces just five crops: wheat, corn, rice, soybeans, and cottom. And
I know they do that with massive doses of ag chemicals.

I know further that this gets into the food chain and has a deleterious
effect on childhood mental development. Some of us grow up rational even
with the contaminated and deficient diet, but the majority of the voters
now are not rational.

So, Pat can lay out whatever the logical case is, and it dont matter. We
mite do better to blow off trying to reform the system, and consider how
it will work out, whether we like it or not.
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Re: Pat Buchanan for free speech         


Author: David Johnston
Date: Jun 28, 2008 09:26

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:21:19 -0500, Day Brown daybrown.org>
wrote:
>brigit bardot brigade wrote:
>"What has caused this reversal of freedom?"
>
>Lotsa causes, but clearly, the population is less rational.

Less rational than when?
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Re: Pat Buchanan for free speech         


Author: Day Brown
Date: Jun 28, 2008 17:17

David Johnston wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:21:19 -0500, Day Brown daybrown.org>
> wrote:
>
>> brigit bardot brigade wrote:
>> "What has caused this reversal of freedom?"
>>
>> Lotsa causes, but clearly, the population is less rational.
>
> Less rational than when?
When gov Adlai Stevenson was told he had the "thinking man's vote",
he replied,"That's nice, but I need a majority." I actually dunno
that he would've been better than Ike. But Ike was not elected on
the basis of sound policy proposals. He looked good on TV.

Its instructive to consider that the boomers were the last generation
of kids raised on food grown on "family farms" by what we now call
"organic methods"... and then to look at the innovation in the arts
and sciences that generation produced compared to what came later.
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Re: Pat Buchanan for free speech         


Author: George Peatty
Date: Jun 29, 2008 11:12

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 19:17:57 -0500, Day Brown daybrown.org> wrote:
>When gov Adlai Stevenson was told he had the "thinking man's vote",
>he replied,"That's nice, but I need a majority." I actually dunno
>that he would've been better than Ike. But Ike was not elected on
>the basis of sound policy proposals. He looked good on TV.

Ike was elected and re-elected because he was a war hero. TV had nothing to
do with it ..
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Re: Pat Buchanan for free speech         


Author: David Johnston
Date: Jun 29, 2008 20:06

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 19:17:57 -0500, Day Brown daybrown.org>
wrote:
>David Johnston wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:21:19 -0500, Day Brown daybrown.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> brigit bardot brigade wrote:
>>> "What has caused this reversal of freedom?"
>>>
>>> Lotsa causes, but clearly, the population is less rational.
>>
>> Less rational than when?
>When gov Adlai Stevenson was told he had the "thinking man's vote",
>he replied,"That's nice, but I need a majority." I actually dunno
>that he would've been better than Ike. But Ike was not elected on
>the basis of sound policy proposals. He looked good on TV.

So far the past is not looking so much more rational.
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Re: Pat Buchanan for free speech         


Author: Day Brown
Date: Jun 29, 2008 12:50

George Peatty wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 19:17:57 -0500, Day Brown daybrown.org> wrote:
>
>> When gov Adlai Stevenson was told he had the "thinking man's vote",
>> he replied,"That's nice, but I need a majority." I actually dunno
>> that he would've been better than Ike. But Ike was not elected on
>> the basis of sound policy proposals. He looked good on TV.
>
> Ike was elected and re-elected because he was a war hero. TV had nothing to
> do with it ..
He got to be a war hero in the first place because he was photogenic.
Adlai looked like a geek. I had an earful of it; my step father was the
president of the MPLS musician's union, and union bosses and Democratic
politicians often met at the house. There were photos of Democratic
congressmen and senators, eg. Humphrey and Mondale...
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Re: Pat Buchanan for free speech         


Author: Day Brown
Date: Jun 30, 2008 08:21

David Johnston wrote:
>> Its instructive to consider that the boomers were the last generation
>> of kids raised on food grown on "family farms" by what we now call
>> "organic methods"... and then to look at the innovation in the arts
>> and sciences that generation produced compared to what came later.
>
> D'yah suppose that could possibly because they were in the middle of a
> demographic bulge combine with a massive liberalisation that allowed
> experiments that nobody could have gotten away with earlier?
You could, but there is other demographic data to consider. Like the
TV says the national autism rate is 1:155. In my neck of Ozark woods,
which is too steep for agribusiness, its still all family farms, and
raise their kids on backyard veggies, the rate here seems to be 1:4000.
If you...
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Re: Pat Buchanan for free speech         


Author: David Johnston
Date: Jul 1, 2008 12:26

On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:21:04 -0500, Day Brown daybrown.org>
wrote:
>David Johnston wrote:
>>> Its instructive to consider that the boomers were the last generation
>>> of kids raised on food grown on "family farms" by what we now call
>>> "organic methods"... and then...
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Re: Pat Buchanan for free speech         


Author: Day Brown
Date: Jul 1, 2008 15:21

David Johnston wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:21:04 -0500, Day Brown daybrown.org>
> wrote:
>
>> David Johnston wrote:
>>>> Its instructive to consider that the boomers were the last generation
>>>> of kids raised on food grown on "family farms" by what we now call
>>>> "organic methods"... and then to look at the innovation in the arts
>>>> and sciences that generation produced compared to what came later.
>>> D'yah suppose that could possibly because they were in the middle of a
>>> demographic bulge combine with a massive liberalisation that allowed
>>> experiments that nobody could have gotten away with earlier?
>> You could, but there is other demographic data to consider. Like the
>> TV says the national autism rate is 1:155. In my neck of Ozark woods,
>> which is too steep for agribusiness, its still all family farms, and
>> raise their kids on backyard veggies, the rate here seems to be 1:4000.
>
> Well heck the environment in urban areas is chock-full of contaminants
> that could cause that. And then there's the claim that vaccination is
> behind it... ...
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