> "thinker" wrote:
>> "andy-k" wrote:
>>> "thinker" wrote:
>>>> A chimp has a brain like we do, sense organs like we do, and
>>>> behavior ssimilar to conscious creatures like us. Those are all
>>>> the public truth conditions a scientist needs to get a running start.
>>> Those are facts of structure and function, and offer no empirical
>>> evidence of a subjective perspective. What public truth conditions
>>> can you identify for a *subjective perspective* in the chimpanzee?
>> The truth conditions that I offered.
> You didn't offer any -- you only offered the facts of structure and
> function, neither of which is in dispute here. What is in dispute are
> the public truth conditions for a *subjective perspective*.
They are tied to the "subjective perspective" - a warranted assumption in
order to proceed.
>> The extension to the chimp is an extension from our consideration
>> of our own subjective perspective: that subjective perspectives
>> exist in nature and under certain circumstance.
> I share your belief but beliefs constitute faith not science, unless
> and until they become testable. What public truth conditions can you
> identify that will allow you to test your belief that the structure and
> function of a chimpanzee are accompanied by a subjective perspective?
>> Neither you nor I get to decide what are the public truth conditions
>> for scientists; the community of scientists decide that.
> Can you direct me to the document where scientists have decided
> upon the public truth conditions for a subjective perspective?
