> On Mar 5, 7:20 pm, Ed earthlink.net> wrote:
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>> On Mar 5, 1:03 pm, Immortalist yahoo.com> wrote:

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>>> On Mar 5, 9:58 am, zinnic gate.net> wrote:

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>>>> Overheard on a train of thought.

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>>>> I am a philosophical Zombie because I do not possess, and have never
>>>> possessed, phenomenal consciousness.

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>>>> Question-How could a Zombie make that statement in the absence of a
>>>> public truth condition for the occurence of phenomenal consciousnes?
>>>> Zinnic

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>>> Because it is possible that the concept/awareness of phenomenal
>>> consciousnes, is itself just a sequence of changing configurations,
>>> making the real you equal to a zombie and sufficient for such
>>> experiences?

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>>>http://youtube.com/watch?v=IoXgRtDysLY

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>>> A man is standing next to a tree in the swamp when quite suddenly the
>>> tree is struck by lightning.  Much to the man's dismay, he is reduced
>>> to his base elements and is dispersed throughout the swamp.  However,
>>> completely by random chance, a most improbable event occurs - the
>>> molecules of the now disintegrated tree reintegrate into the exact
>>> molecular structure of the man who was standing next to it the instant
>>> before he was destroyed.  What we are left with now is Swamp Man - an
>>> exact duplicate of our original(except for the obvious fact that he is
>>> composed of completely different "stuff"). Would Swamp Man "be" our
>>> original man?  Would such a creature have thoughts? Language?  Is he
>>> even human?

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>> What makes this story bizarre is the time factor.  Swampman is created
>> in an instant.  But consider a small change; in this story our man
>> takes up residence under the tree, is not hit by lightning and, over
>> several years, every molecule of his body is replaced by the stuff he
>> ingests under the tree.  He is now composed of different stuff than he
>> was when he arrived.  In this scenario the questions asked above seem
>> trivial, of course he's the same man, that's what happens to all of
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>> The question then becomes, if we are changed quickly are we less human
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> Another question. Why does'nt the 'present man' exist in an agony of
> grief over the irretrievable loss of his 'past man'?